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Camelot Tennis Universe => General Pro Player Discussions => Topic started by: Clay Death on September 29, 2016, 08:01:36 pm
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Nishikori could rise to #3 in the world with a strong performance at WTF.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/nov/14/kei-nishikori-stan-wawrinka-atp-world-tour-finals
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General, Andy is on the warpath.
He got the toughest draw imaginable and Novak the easiest.
But Andy will take no prisoners.
He might lose a battle, but win the war (YE#1) anyway.
Stan the Slam man might play the spoiler.
But we will see.
Respectfully,
masterclass
I saw Andy's draw general. it is tough as hell
but I think he eyeing a far bigger prize: Australian Open and the French Open
that propels him into all time greatness.
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General, Andy is on the warpath.
He got the toughest draw imaginable and Novak the easiest.
But Andy will take no prisoners.
He might lose a battle, but win the war (YE#1) anyway.
Stan the Slam man might play the spoiler.
But we will see.
Respectfully,
masterclass
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Can't really get fired up about WTF with no Roger there.
No Rafa there either but he is done anyway.
He is all lip service. The man has no interest in tennis.
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I just wonder what is wrong with Djokovic.
I thought he wanted to shatter Roger's slam record.
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Mugray to no. 1, by default. Djokovic been garbage for a while. Murray isn't anything special. Jisner had a terrible year but still made a masters final.
Sigh, tennis is just no fun. Congrats to Mugray though.
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Andy Murray express keeps rolling.
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Make that 7 titles for Andy.
He could get a couple of more.
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ha ha ha ha. those rednecks.
they are everywhere around here general. I have been to Lake Charles but I have never been this particular golden nugget casino.
there is a golden nugget casino in Biloxi, Mississippi also. I have been to that one.
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That's a fantastic post general on fitness needs for the topspin game.
Maybe Uncle Toni will read it and pass it on. Though who knows if he'll act on it.
But I think there might be a better chance of setting up a poker or pro-am golf tournament at the Golden Nugget at Lake Charles, La. and getting him to play. ;)
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Of course some might meet a few rednecks here or there...
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Respectfully,
masterclass
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Nadal, Federer, Serena and Ivanovic sign up for 2016 IPTL in December after shutting down for the ATP and WTA seasons (https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/791314937121505284?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
$$$$$
Respectfully,
masterclass
well at least Roger is talented and can just walk out there and beat most players anytime he feels like it.
clay warrior does not have that luxury. he has a demanding style of play because of the heavy topspin he employs off both wings. he doesn't have a big serve and he returns poorly on quicker courts.
that style of play requires superhuman fitness and supreme physicality.
I had that same style of play. only exception is that I used a Muster/Vilas like topspin backhand.
I had to practice 4-6 hours day and often go on runs of 10 miles or more after practice. and once I switched to cycling from running, I rode my bikes 300 miles a week just to keep my required level of fitness.
unfortunately I did not discover weights until I injured my shoulder and my lower back from such a demanding style of play.
what allowed me to become physically strong and muscular without work in the training room was that I hit 7 days a week. I also hit a minimum of 2 hours a day against wall. hitting with heavy topspin for hours and hours helps you develop some physicality.
the wall was my secret weapon. that is where I also was able to work on my strength. I hit as hard as it was possible to hit. I just destroyed tennis balls I hit so damn hard.
so that was one of the ways I worked on my physicality while I was working on my consistency.
clay warrior just doesn't feel like working anymore.
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Nadal, Federer, Serena and Ivanovic sign up for 2016 IPTL in December after shutting down for the ATP and WTA seasons (https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/791314937121505284?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
$$$$$
Respectfully,
masterclass
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He has raised lip service to an art form general.
Only thing i see is continued decline in his game and his fitness.
He has even lost the effectiveness of his topspin forehand.
But his lip service for public consumption has improved.
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I can only say you might be right General. ;)
I know he was talking about playing doubles next year with Federer in the Laver Cup.
But whomever or whatever convinced him, it's good. He was only going to risk more injury by continuing to play in his shocking condition.
At least now he can probably be fit enough to hit the golf course in his pro-am tournament with Olazabal.
24-27 NOVEMBER 2016 - PULA GOLF RESORT, MALLORCA
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Anyway, we will see what he does with the rest of his time until the Australian Open.
He says he wants to train hard and be fit for next year, but I've heard so much lip service this year, I don't know what to believe.
Respectfully,
masterclass
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Roger was in Mallorca a few days back
I have a feeling it was Roger that finally convinced Rafa to shut it down for the year and to go fix his game and his fitness.
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that may be an old pic general moonball pusher.
I found it on the internet.
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3 amigos:
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Was that taken recently? Where?
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3 amigos:
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now uncle tony says that rafa can win RG next year.
he has lost 3 out of last 5 matches. he gets worse with each passing day.
right uncle tony. whatever you are smoking must be good.
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Well he got hustled out of Shanghai Masters by a spaniard.
Rafa just wants to fart around but at least other spaniards are working hard at their professions.
Becker may be out sooner.
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Kyrgios should be banned for his own good. The guy has some serious issues.
Also, looks like Djokovic might be splitting with Becker after this year? Would be massive. Maybe he really is going into a tailspin.
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Rusty is high on Nick:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/oct/10/nick-kyrgios-can-challenge-for-australian-open-says-lleyton-hewitt
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great post general.
you hit the nail on the head: if nothing changes
that is the big problem. no way to improve and be competitive again if he simply refuses to change anything at all.
the decline is continued with that strategy. he is not any better today than he was last year.
he is far worse.
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Rafa is done.
he hangs around for the spotlight and the money.
he is making more money now than ever before. his star shines brighter than ever because he is one of the legends of the sport.
he is doing nothing to improve and he has done nothing to improve in nearly 4 years.
in the past at least he played a lot which kept his ground game sharp enough for him to win titles.
he simply has no hunger and no drive. but he does have lots of lip service for his fans and his sponsors.
he will get torched in Shanghai and at some point there will be more of stupid exos and then there will be IPTL.
this man has zero interest in winning anything.
Rafa invited Federer to his Academy for the "official opening". These are 2 of the world's top fan draws and sponsor magnets.
Their combined value is off the charts.
But that is off court. Tennis is another matter.
1. Federer hasn't played since Wimbledon trying to rest and recover fully from his knee injury, surgery, and aggravation of the injury at Wimbledon. In that time he has taken holiday, been taking altitude hikes in the Swiss Alps, been appearing at various social and media events. So no real tennis, except hitting around a bit. Now he is going to start the hard work. Here he is a couple of days ago doing agility drills in the gym. From twitter and instagram:
Mirror, mirror, on the wall. Who is fastest of them all?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuQmBFOUMAIqzI6.jpg)
Nobody knows, including Federer, what will happen. He's following the advice of medical professionals. Will the knee take the strain of getting fit to play top level singles tennis? Will it take the strain of hours of practice? Will it take the strain of match play, and playing against the best? Roger has a positive outlook, but anything can happen.
But positiveness, negativity aside, one must talk about reality in serious tennis analysis. Roger is in his 36th year on the planet and has over 1300 matches played. It is extremely tough to recover from injury at that age and mileage. Most great pros have been retired for years. Only a few, in a bygone age, when tennis was played quite differently, managed to succeed in singles tennis at such an advanced stage. "Muscles" Ken Rosewall, "Pancho" Richard Gonzales(z) played and won tournaments into their 40's. But that was a different age in tennis.
Later, Jimmy Connors played his last major final at the 1102 match mark at Wimbledon, close to 33 years old. More recently, Agassi got to his last major final at 1119 matches at 35, after a mid-career interlude. This was the mark for longevity until Roger. Federer reached his last final in the 2015 US Open at 1282 matches played. Nobody has come close. Lendl's last major final was at the 1061 mark. Federer's due date is long past in terms of other modern players. It's very difficult to see him being a factor from now on. But like all great players, we cannot so simply write him off. If he can overcome the knee problems maybe he'll be competitive and play into his 40's. Who knows?
2. Nadal has been playing, and he says he has recovered from his niggling wrist issues earlier in the season. But now he and Uncle Toni have added another player to the list of players where they say the level is very high - Grigor Dimitrov. On the other hand, Nadal has done well in doubles this year. Olympics Gold and he and Carreno-Busta just won the China Open title over Sock/Tomic for his second doubles title, equaling his singles title mark this year (MC, Barc). Doubles doesn't require the fitness singles does. Rafa can extend his career in this way if he wants.
Rafa's last major final was over 2 years ago at Roland Garros, his 834th match. He did not make a QF this year. Now he has played 979 matches on tour. He is obviously getting up there in mileage as he approaches 31. Should he continue to play much in conditions which are normally difficult for him, like hard courts and indoors, or should he focus on his best surface, clay? Regardless, he must be fit enough to compete at a high level. The hard work must be done and he needs to be strong enough and have the endurance to play his game. For him, and his style, it is a tough task. As he gets older, he might have to adjust the old game. General Hercules and I have spoken of this before. He needs to centralize his court positioning. He can't be playing out of his backhand corner whipping forehands. He must rely more on his backhand so he can play more centrally. He also can't play near the stands; he must play closer to the baseline. One believes to have a chance of succeeding in majors, he must focus on clay. It is where he can achieve the highest level relative to other players.
Again, as with Federer, we can talk all day about all the great things he does off the tennis court. All of his positive traits, his contributions, his Academy, his family. But as far as the actual tennis goes, and to assess his chances of winning at the highest levels, we have to analyze objectively. Wishful thinking won't get it done. As with any aging player, he has to work harder and smarter than before to be as fit as he needs to be to last into deciders, especially the 5th set in majors. He needs some luck too. He has to hope he doesn't get into repeated long battles. One, here or there, ok. But not consecutively. Long gone are the days of beating Verdasco in 5 and Federer in 5. Unfortunately, since 2015, what I've observed is that he has trouble playing more than 2 sets well against the better players. This just isn't good enough to get it done in a major, and in many lesser tourneys. In my opinion, his best singles tennis of this year in any tournament was at Monte Carlo. True that he didn't play Djokovic, but He won the title beating Thiem, Wawrinka, Murray and Monfils, and he won the last two in 3 sets each.
Rafa is 39-13 this year. That's a .750 winning pct. same as 2015. Those are his lowest percentages since 2004. If nothing changes, one cannot see how he is going to improve. As General Hercules says he isn't seeing the overall improvement in fitness and segments of his game. The same pattern appears. He plays well for a couple of matches, then has a poor match, and if it is against a better player, he loses. Two steps forward, one step back. This is not being negative. These are the facts. Rafa admits it himself. From this, it doesn't look encouraging that he can win another major, but like Roger, I will not write a great player like Rafa off until he hangs the racquet up.
Respectfully,
masterclass
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ok I got it now. it was a personal message from MWW to me. here it is in its entirety:
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your thread
I regret to have to read a rather embarrassing exchange between yourself and Time Violation. He has seen a lot in his time on this board with some extremely stubborn and uncompromising posters who can make mods' life hell, and perhaps why his attitude towards you wasn't the greatest, though of course not excusable. Naturally as a moderator, he also has to defend the site moderation when it is being challenged (not necessary implying we are right all the time, of course).
For me, as one of the youngest moderators on the site (and one of the lesser experienced, started in October last year after 9 months on the forum), I have tried to merge moderator and poster values together. You will see that it is hard to balance this well. We'll have some posters who think we are too overzealous in our moderation and banning, while others consider us too lenient and let too many trolls post etc. If you walk onto the next site, tennisforum, their posters will say very different things about how TF is run and moderated. I am the greatest moderator on this site to some, and also the worst moderator on this site to others and both stand to be correct!
Thus I think it would be worthwhile to have a positive discussion on the issue. Your concerns have lead me to start a thread for mods to consider amending the 'moderator change edit' rule. The issue sometimes is with whether mods apply a liberal approach, or by the book. By the book is the 'easiest' approach but does have its difficulties at times and doesn't take into account poster motivation or intent. Originally the rule was set to prevent troll posters who would repost problematic posts after they had been deleted. I definitely think how the rule is applied these days has drifted from the original intent and we do have complaints about it. You won't be the first nor the last so I hope the mod team can sit and come up with suitable revision.
The situation with your thread arose based on reports that your thread title 'directly quoted' off Stan and was considered misinformation. I would not have made any changes if it were up to myself because I did not see any intentional malice or attempt to confuse with the information. Only a few posters found objection to it and reported it. Legal aspects are probably the most difficult for moderators to really apply. I remember in another case, a poster who contributes interesting articles got reported for sending in a complete article, someone reported it and cited 'copyright' infringements. There is also a hidden rule that posters should avoid posting 'getty images' based on similar ownership and IP laws. So I regret that this situation has happened but it's something we can all learn from.
There are some situations where seemingly strict rules have purpose. Slasher1985 introduced a policy that posters must use objective thread titles when reporting match result threads or WWW threads, and in polls. You will see this is a far cry from tennisforum where player nicknames are often used. The importance of the rule on our site is to avoid derogatory language and player bashing, as well as to make archival of results easier as the players' actual names and score are very clear to see.
I hope you can contend with us. We are a small team and we don't always satisfy everyone's wishes. We can't and even more so because of our diversity in nationalities, gender, beliefs and age. But we hope to be open to suggestions to make the forum run smoother. In fact your return to the forum was only possible because of such suggestions regarding permaban policies.
Thanks for posting this General. MWW is indeed reasonable and pretty middle of the road.
For what it's worth, I think it is tough moderating MTF with how can I say it, with so much history behind it.
Many of the forum rules are from a bygone day. They have been taped and patched along the way, and it looks like some effort is made to preserve many things, and change others a bit here and there. Users have come and gone. Many of the old users are no longer there or rarely appear.
I think a serious attempt should be made to rewrite the rules from scratch, and consideration must be given to keeping the site interesting and informative for the current day where there is so much competition with other social media like twitter, Facebook, etc. I for one prefer forum discussion to soundbite posting on twitter, for example. But that's only me.
Of course rules are needed to keep crazy people from totally abusing the forum and other posters. Sure, most people have their favorites, and some of the most driven fanboys/fangirls think everyone else with any opinion that is other than a lovefest for their favorite, is a hater's opinion, while their hero can do no wrong. Criticizing their player in any way is tantamount to the worst crime in their eyes, and they see everything as an attack.
But by and large, most posters are fairly reasonable given a chance. However, when the reasonable people leave, a lot of the worst survives, which makes it difficult for the more reasonable posters to have the patience to stay. Moderation tries to accommodate to what's being thrown at them. Too much for some is too little for others, and vice-versa. I generally think that not much moderation is needed except to control some of the more vicious abusers. Some of the rules are really over the top. Review and overhaul might be the best way. I won't say it's easy in a huge site like that, but at some point something has to be done. Maybe MWW will be a catalyst for change.
Here we have an advantage for now. It's small, quiet, people are friendly, and we accept and adjust to each other.
It is a haven if you will, a Camelot of Forums.
Respectfully,
masterclass
that is a great post general. it really spells it all out.
I can add only one thing: it is a new world now. what we are learning from watching this new world is that people have a voice now. and they want to be able to have a voice.
they also have endless options in this new world. we talked about the massive array of new social innovations. in addition hardly a month goes by when a new social media innovation is not introduced.
For instance, Stephen Curry and his friend from Davidson founded Slice which is a social media outlet for the stars and the celebrities of the world. it just goes on and on.
Twitter and Facebook are the largest but there are so many other ones also in use.
finally people also want more dynamic and more real time interactions and exchanges. they want instant audiences. they can get that at social medial innovations.
so MTF really has to understand that. unremitting, nonstop meddling has to end. they are gaining a few new members but they are also losing people. it is just a shadow of what it used to be.
more later.
All true, General. Great post.
Respectfully,
masterclass
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Rafa is done.
he hangs around for the spotlight and the money.
he is making more money now than ever before. his star shines brighter than ever because he is one of the legends of the sport.
he is doing nothing to improve and he has done nothing to improve in nearly 4 years.
in the past at least he played a lot which kept his ground game sharp enough for him to win titles.
he simply has no hunger and no drive. but he does have lots of lip service for his fans and his sponsors.
he will get torched in Shanghai and at some point there will be more of stupid exos and then there will be IPTL.
this man has zero interest in winning anything.
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Dimitrov runs over Rafa.
This was never in doubt.
We called it right here. He was going to beat 2 legless clowns and then get run over by a decent player.
The second he runs into a decent player, it is the exit for him.
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I sure would like to see some of the banned MTF folks here.
I think they also jacked Freaky around there a while back so now he just doesn't feel like posting much there. he also may have lost some of his friends there who are gone for good.
he is obviously more than welcome here.
Tiger Tim is also welcome here but I don't know how you get him to tear away from MTF.
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agreed general:
talk tennis is doing better than expected.
MTF is going down with each passing month.
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I just took a look at tennis4you forum.
nobody has posted at their tennis discussion board since September 12.
and did I mention that they have over 6000 members. they also have been around a long time.
tennis forums are suffering everywhere but the imbecile mods and admin at MTF are making sure that MTF suffers more then they need to.
Talk Tennis is doing fine.
There could easily be a place as popular as MTF if it was run correctly.
I don't think things like Twitter are killing forums.
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I just took a look at tennis4you forum.
nobody has posted at their tennis discussion board since September 12.
and did I mention that they have over 6000 members. they also have been around a long time.
tennis forums are suffering everywhere but the imbecile mods and admin at MTF are making sure that MTF suffers more then they need to.
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for the record I don't ever intend to post at MTF again.
my decision is final.
MWW is a reasonable dude but the rest of them are deranged.
good, don't give them the ad revenue
Exactly right. To hell with MTF.
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ok I got it now. it was a personal message from MWW to me. here it is in its entirety:
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your thread
I regret to have to read a rather embarrassing exchange between yourself and Time Violation. He has seen a lot in his time on this board with some extremely stubborn and uncompromising posters who can make mods' life hell, and perhaps why his attitude towards you wasn't the greatest, though of course not excusable. Naturally as a moderator, he also has to defend the site moderation when it is being challenged (not necessary implying we are right all the time, of course).
For me, as one of the youngest moderators on the site (and one of the lesser experienced, started in October last year after 9 months on the forum), I have tried to merge moderator and poster values together. You will see that it is hard to balance this well. We'll have some posters who think we are too overzealous in our moderation and banning, while others consider us too lenient and let too many trolls post etc. If you walk onto the next site, tennisforum, their posters will say very different things about how TF is run and moderated. I am the greatest moderator on this site to some, and also the worst moderator on this site to others and both stand to be correct!
Thus I think it would be worthwhile to have a positive discussion on the issue. Your concerns have lead me to start a thread for mods to consider amending the 'moderator change edit' rule. The issue sometimes is with whether mods apply a liberal approach, or by the book. By the book is the 'easiest' approach but does have its difficulties at times and doesn't take into account poster motivation or intent. Originally the rule was set to prevent troll posters who would repost problematic posts after they had been deleted. I definitely think how the rule is applied these days has drifted from the original intent and we do have complaints about it. You won't be the first nor the last so I hope the mod team can sit and come up with suitable revision.
The situation with your thread arose based on reports that your thread title 'directly quoted' off Stan and was considered misinformation. I would not have made any changes if it were up to myself because I did not see any intentional malice or attempt to confuse with the information. Only a few posters found objection to it and reported it. Legal aspects are probably the most difficult for moderators to really apply. I remember in another case, a poster who contributes interesting articles got reported for sending in a complete article, someone reported it and cited 'copyright' infringements. There is also a hidden rule that posters should avoid posting 'getty images' based on similar ownership and IP laws. So I regret that this situation has happened but it's something we can all learn from.
There are some situations where seemingly strict rules have purpose. Slasher1985 introduced a policy that posters must use objective thread titles when reporting match result threads or WWW threads, and in polls. You will see this is a far cry from tennisforum where player nicknames are often used. The importance of the rule on our site is to avoid derogatory language and player bashing, as well as to make archival of results easier as the players' actual names and score are very clear to see.
I hope you can contend with us. We are a small team and we don't always satisfy everyone's wishes. We can't and even more so because of our diversity in nationalities, gender, beliefs and age. But we hope to be open to suggestions to make the forum run smoother. In fact your return to the forum was only possible because of such suggestions regarding permaban policies.
Thanks for posting this General. MWW is indeed reasonable and pretty middle of the road.
For what it's worth, I think it is tough moderating MTF with how can I say it, with so much history behind it.
Many of the forum rules are from a bygone day. They have been taped and patched along the way, and it looks like some effort is made to preserve many things, and change others a bit here and there. Users have come and gone. Many of the old users are no longer there or rarely appear.
I think a serious attempt should be made to rewrite the rules from scratch, and consideration must be given to keeping the site interesting and informative for the current day where there is so much competition with other social media like twitter, Facebook, etc. I for one prefer forum discussion to soundbite posting on twitter, for example. But that's only me.
Of course rules are needed to keep crazy people from totally abusing the forum and other posters. Sure, most people have their favorites, and some of the most driven fanboys/fangirls think everyone else with any opinion that is other than a lovefest for their favorite, is a hater's opinion, while their hero can do no wrong. Criticizing their player in any way is tantamount to the worst crime in their eyes, and they see everything as an attack.
But by and large, most posters are fairly reasonable given a chance. However, when the reasonable people leave, a lot of the worst survives, which makes it difficult for the more reasonable posters to have the patience to stay. Moderation tries to accommodate to what's being thrown at them. Too much for some is too little for others, and vice-versa. I generally think that not much moderation is needed except to control some of the more vicious abusers. Some of the rules are really over the top. Review and overhaul might be the best way. I won't say it's easy in a huge site like that, but at some point something has to be done. Maybe MWW will be a catalyst for change.
Here we have an advantage for now. It's small, quiet, people are friendly, and we accept and adjust to each other.
It is a haven if you will, a Camelot of Forums.
Respectfully,
masterclass
that is a great post general. it really spells it all out.
I can add only one thing: it is a new world now. what we are learning from watching this new world is that people have a voice now. and they want to be able to have a voice.
they also have endless options in this new world. we talked about the massive array of new social innovations. in addition hardly a month goes by when a new social media innovation is not introduced.
For instance, Stephen Curry and his friend from Davidson founded Slice which is a social media outlet for the stars and the celebrities of the world. it just goes on and on.
Twitter and Facebook are the largest but there are so many other ones also in use.
finally people also want more dynamic and more real time interactions and exchanges. they want instant audiences. they can get that at social medial innovations.
so MTF really has to understand that. unremitting, nonstop meddling has to end. they are gaining a few new members but they are also losing people. it is just a shadow of what it used to be.
more later.
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ok I got it now. it was a personal message from MWW to me. here it is in its entirety:
------------------------
your thread
I regret to have to read a rather embarrassing exchange between yourself and Time Violation. He has seen a lot in his time on this board with some extremely stubborn and uncompromising posters who can make mods' life hell, and perhaps why his attitude towards you wasn't the greatest, though of course not excusable. Naturally as a moderator, he also has to defend the site moderation when it is being challenged (not necessary implying we are right all the time, of course).
For me, as one of the youngest moderators on the site (and one of the lesser experienced, started in October last year after 9 months on the forum), I have tried to merge moderator and poster values together. You will see that it is hard to balance this well. We'll have some posters who think we are too overzealous in our moderation and banning, while others consider us too lenient and let too many trolls post etc. If you walk onto the next site, tennisforum, their posters will say very different things about how TF is run and moderated. I am the greatest moderator on this site to some, and also the worst moderator on this site to others and both stand to be correct!
Thus I think it would be worthwhile to have a positive discussion on the issue. Your concerns have lead me to start a thread for mods to consider amending the 'moderator change edit' rule. The issue sometimes is with whether mods apply a liberal approach, or by the book. By the book is the 'easiest' approach but does have its difficulties at times and doesn't take into account poster motivation or intent. Originally the rule was set to prevent troll posters who would repost problematic posts after they had been deleted. I definitely think how the rule is applied these days has drifted from the original intent and we do have complaints about it. You won't be the first nor the last so I hope the mod team can sit and come up with suitable revision.
The situation with your thread arose based on reports that your thread title 'directly quoted' off Stan and was considered misinformation. I would not have made any changes if it were up to myself because I did not see any intentional malice or attempt to confuse with the information. Only a few posters found objection to it and reported it. Legal aspects are probably the most difficult for moderators to really apply. I remember in another case, a poster who contributes interesting articles got reported for sending in a complete article, someone reported it and cited 'copyright' infringements. There is also a hidden rule that posters should avoid posting 'getty images' based on similar ownership and IP laws. So I regret that this situation has happened but it's something we can all learn from.
There are some situations where seemingly strict rules have purpose. Slasher1985 introduced a policy that posters must use objective thread titles when reporting match result threads or WWW threads, and in polls. You will see this is a far cry from tennisforum where player nicknames are often used. The importance of the rule on our site is to avoid derogatory language and player bashing, as well as to make archival of results easier as the players' actual names and score are very clear to see.
I hope you can contend with us. We are a small team and we don't always satisfy everyone's wishes. We can't and even more so because of our diversity in nationalities, gender, beliefs and age. But we hope to be open to suggestions to make the forum run smoother. In fact your return to the forum was only possible because of such suggestions regarding permaban policies.
Thanks for posting this General. MWW is indeed reasonable and pretty middle of the road.
For what it's worth, I think it is tough moderating MTF with how can I say it, with so much history behind it.
Many of the forum rules are from a bygone day. They have been taped and patched along the way, and it looks like some effort is made to preserve many things, and change others a bit here and there. Users have come and gone. Many of the old users are no longer there or rarely appear.
I think a serious attempt should be made to rewrite the rules from scratch, and consideration must be given to keeping the site interesting and informative for the current day where there is so much competition with other social media like twitter, Facebook, etc. I for one prefer forum discussion to soundbite posting on twitter, for example. But that's only me.
Of course rules are needed to keep crazy people from totally abusing the forum and other posters. Sure, most people have their favorites, and some of the most driven fanboys/fangirls think everyone else with any opinion that is other than a lovefest for their favorite, is a hater's opinion, while their hero can do no wrong. Criticizing their player in any way is tantamount to the worst crime in their eyes, and they see everything as an attack.
But by and large, most posters are fairly reasonable given a chance. However, when the reasonable people leave, a lot of the worst survives, which makes it difficult for the more reasonable posters to have the patience to stay. Moderation tries to accommodate to what's being thrown at them. Too much for some is too little for others, and vice-versa. I generally think that not much moderation is needed except to control some of the more vicious abusers. Some of the rules are really over the top. Review and overhaul might be the best way. I won't say it's easy in a huge site like that, but at some point something has to be done. Maybe MWW will be a catalyst for change.
Here we have an advantage for now. It's small, quiet, people are friendly, and we accept and adjust to each other.
It is a haven if you will, a Camelot of Forums.
Respectfully,
masterclass
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Murray Aims to Take Bite Out of Djokovic's Rankings Lead in China
By REUTERSOCT. 3, 2016, 7:03 A.M. E.D.T.
(Reuters) - Andy Murray begins his late-season assault on Novak Djokovic's world number one ranking at the China Open this week hoping to take a chunk out of the 4,695-point gap separating them.
The Briton has enjoyed one of the best years of his career, winning Wimbledon and the Olympics, and could still finish the season by toppling the Serb who has been ranked number one since July 2014.
While on the face of it the gap still looks huge, Djokovic is defending far more points than Murray until the end of the season and he will not be able to defend his China title after withdrawing due to an elbow injury.
Djokovic, 29, finished last season in unstoppable form, winning in China, Shanghai and Paris before claiming the ATP Tour Finals. He has 3,800 points to defend for the rest of the season to Murray's 1,160, meaning there is the possibility of a large swing in Murray's direction.
Should Murray win in China and take the 500 ranking points on offer he would move 1,000 points closer to Djokovic ahead of Shanghai where he lost to Djokovic in the semis a year ago.
Murray has spoken of his desire to become the first British player to reach number one since computer rankings were introduced and with Djokovic apparently suffering injury niggles he has a realistic shot.
"I've never been there and it's something I would like to do for the first time, which is maybe more of a motivation for me than some of the guys that have been there before," he said.
"But I want to just try and finish this year strong from a personal point of view. It's been my best season to date, and I want to try to finish it as best as I can."
However, Murray has also had a grueling year and needed to rest a thigh injury ahead of Beijing - a legacy of his Davis Cup exertions when he lost a five-set cliff-hanger to Argentina's Juan Martin del Potro last month.
"I needed a break anyway and I haven't been able to practise as much as usual coming into an event like this," he said.
"But I feel healthy, my leg feels good. I think this week I need to be realistic with maybe how I'm going to play.
"I have very few days of practice coming in here and I'm not putting too much pressure on myself right now."
(Reporting by Shravanth Vijayakumar in Bengaluru and Martyn Herman in London, editing by Ed Osmond)
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"Slasher1985 introduced a policy that posters must use objective thread titles when reporting match result threads or WWW threads, and in polls."
hahahahaha omg what a moron
I really thought that maybe they had changed for the better when they invited me back.
I was wrong obviously.
Slasher is bloody moron.
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for the record I don't ever intend to post at MTF again.
my decision is final.
MWW is a reasonable dude but the rest of them are deranged.
good, don't give them the ad revenue
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"Slasher1985 introduced a policy that posters must use objective thread titles when reporting match result threads or WWW threads, and in polls."
hahahahaha omg what a moron
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Berdych can snag small tiles here and there but he just cant deal with the top guns at bigger events.
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Tomas Berdych has retained his Shenzhen Open title after a hard-fought 7-6 6-7 6-3 victory over Richard Gasquet.
It was a first ATP World Tour title for the Czech world No 8 since he claimed the Stockholm Open crown almost a year ago.
Berdych had his serve broken by his French opponent in the very first game of the final but fought back and took the opening set 7-5 on a tie-break.
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I sent Slade a personal message about joining Camelot.
lets hope he joins us here from time to time.
he is a great poster.
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for the record I don't ever intend to post at MTF again.
my decision is final.
MWW is a reasonable dude but the rest of them are deranged.
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ok I got it now. it was a personal message from MWW to me. here it is in its entirety:
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your thread
I regret to have to read a rather embarrassing exchange between yourself and Time Violation. He has seen a lot in his time on this board with some extremely stubborn and uncompromising posters who can make mods' life hell, and perhaps why his attitude towards you wasn't the greatest, though of course not excusable. Naturally as a moderator, he also has to defend the site moderation when it is being challenged (not necessary implying we are right all the time, of course).
For me, as one of the youngest moderators on the site (and one of the lesser experienced, started in October last year after 9 months on the forum), I have tried to merge moderator and poster values together. You will see that it is hard to balance this well. We'll have some posters who think we are too overzealous in our moderation and banning, while others consider us too lenient and let too many trolls post etc. If you walk onto the next site, tennisforum, their posters will say very different things about how TF is run and moderated. I am the greatest moderator on this site to some, and also the worst moderator on this site to others and both stand to be correct!
Thus I think it would be worthwhile to have a positive discussion on the issue. Your concerns have lead me to start a thread for mods to consider amending the 'moderator change edit' rule. The issue sometimes is with whether mods apply a liberal approach, or by the book. By the book is the 'easiest' approach but does have its difficulties at times and doesn't take into account poster motivation or intent. Originally the rule was set to prevent troll posters who would repost problematic posts after they had been deleted. I definitely think how the rule is applied these days has drifted from the original intent and we do have complaints about it. You won't be the first nor the last so I hope the mod team can sit and come up with suitable revision.
The situation with your thread arose based on reports that your thread title 'directly quoted' off Stan and was considered misinformation. I would not have made any changes if it were up to myself because I did not see any intentional malice or attempt to confuse with the information. Only a few posters found objection to it and reported it. Legal aspects are probably the most difficult for moderators to really apply. I remember in another case, a poster who contributes interesting articles got reported for sending in a complete article, someone reported it and cited 'copyright' infringements. There is also a hidden rule that posters should avoid posting 'getty images' based on similar ownership and IP laws. So I regret that this situation has happened but it's something we can all learn from.
There are some situations where seemingly strict rules have purpose. Slasher1985 introduced a policy that posters must use objective thread titles when reporting match result threads or WWW threads, and in polls. You will see this is a far cry from tennisforum where player nicknames are often used. The importance of the rule on our site is to avoid derogatory language and player bashing, as well as to make archival of results easier as the players' actual names and score are very clear to see.
I hope you can contend with us. We are a small team and we don't always satisfy everyone's wishes. We can't and even more so because of our diversity in nationalities, gender, beliefs and age. But we hope to be open to suggestions to make the forum run smoother. In fact your return to the forum was only possible because of such suggestions regarding permaban policies.
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General, I'm not sure what their obsession is with thread titles lately at MTF.
Again, this user Time Violation, who has been promoted to Admin there, has changed an interesting, perhaps provocative, sure to grab attention title, to a boring one in the name of being "nice or positive".
Title was: "Is Gasquet the biggest vulture ever?"
Time Violation, obviously eager to try out his new Admin powers, edited the title to: "Is Gasquet actually the best ATP 250 player ever?"
Why change it? Agree or disagree, what harm did it cause? It also changed the meaning of the thread.
I think some of these mods/admins are overdoing it and cutting off the livelier personalities and cutting off their own forum discussion in the process.
Over moderation can kill a forum just like under moderation if not sooner.
I mean, sure, you have to lay down the law when a poster is abusive, or attacking other fellow posters or making death threats or something, but titles?
Respectfully,
masterclass
Great post general.
I have left several forums because of not just excessive moderation but out of control moderation.
I believe it is out of control at MTF.
It is at a point where they are just pursuing their own agendas.
They forget one very simple observation:
They serve at the pleasure of folks who choose to spend their limited and precious time there.
And now people have endless options with a vast array social media innovations.
Most forums are dead or in the process of dying. Only 2 large forums can be considered somewhat active: Tennis Warehose and MTF.
that is only because they are owned and supported by companies/corporations.
Even then these are mere shadows of what they used to be.
Talk Tennis (Tennis Warehouse) has a good thing going and they better not screw it up. But they will, eventually. I already see people in the Q&A forum there crying about moderation, or lack thereof.
MTF thinks it's God's gift to the tennis world and that posting there is some sort of special privilege. Mods there are complete idiots. Enforcing their political and tennis agendas through ambiguous and stupid rules.
I got a year-long ban for calling Marion Bartoli a lesbian cow.
I got another ban for agreeing with something Dologpolov said.
And now I'm banned for life because I called someone a cuck, lmao.
that is 100% spot on general.
believe it or not but I actually got a personal message from a mod who was apologizing to me for the quick rush to judgment of another mod.
I will have to log in to that toxic dump to actually find out who the hell he was he was apologizing. it might have been Time Violation but I am not sure.
I will check it out and post it here.
some idiot mod took a cheap shot at me there. it might have been Time Violation.
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Thank you very much, Clay. I was going on the fact that until I joined the only forum I'd been on was a v.l.e. for my E.C.D.L. course to help others in my class, ask for help if I needed it & find out any extra work set by the tutor because we were on a taught course with classes on Mondays, a lot of bank holidays & expected to do it in the same amount of time as those with classes on other days. I do know a bit about real life & different forms of power though. The ideal form of power is a mixture of the 2.
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I hear ya general.
I am damn near the same way.
this U.S Open did not do much for me. there was something missing with Roger not there.
it was just not the same.
the year is mostly over. I really don't give a damn about WTF. it bores me to be honest with you.
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anybody caring much about the China Open?
andy is a safe bet with no djokovic around.
I expect rafa to get derailed after 2 matches. I cant see him getting past the quarterfinals.
To be honest I'm pretty checked out of ATP right now. Fed is gone, so that's part of it. And I find the tour highly boring. Djokovic is gone, which is nice, but overall I'm pretty checked out. I'm still recovering from Stan's win at the USO.
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anybody caring much about the China Open?
andy is a safe bet with no djokovic around.
I expect rafa to get derailed after 2 matches. I cant see him getting past the quarterfinals.
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I'm very sorry to interrupt you on something I know nothing about but relating it partially to real-life it can be very similar in that some people in authority can't handle their authority & decide to show it off because they let it get to their heads. They don't realise that there are actually 2 main ways of exerting power. 1 is by teaching you well & being nice to you so you will want to do what they say & you govern yourself & you don't realise power is being exerted because you are mainly governing yourself but adhering to the rules. The other way is by getting heavy-handed & throwing your weight around. People feel less comfortable if you exert your power the 2nd way & normally just do what they have to & don't say anything to you unless they're forced. Consequentially, people don't have as much fun.
you are not interrupting lady Ann.
you are welcome here. please stop by anytime and post as much as your heart desires.
and that is an excellent post by the way.
at Camelot we are different: everybody here is a valued Camelot family member.
we are just family here. supportive of each other no matter what our family members wish to do or say.
Camelot stands for freedom.
it is your kingdom to enjoy.
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who wants a babolat racquet?
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General, I'm not sure what their obsession is with thread titles lately at MTF.
Again, this user Time Violation, who has been promoted to Admin there, has changed an interesting, perhaps provocative, sure to grab attention title, to a boring one in the name of being "nice or positive".
Title was: "Is Gasquet the biggest vulture ever?"
Time Violation, obviously eager to try out his new Admin powers, edited the title to: "Is Gasquet actually the best ATP 250 player ever?"
Why change it? Agree or disagree, what harm did it cause? It also changed the meaning of the thread.
I think some of these mods/admins are overdoing it and cutting off the livelier personalities and cutting off their own forum discussion in the process.
Over moderation can kill a forum just like under moderation if not sooner.
I mean, sure, you have to lay down the law when a poster is abusive, or attacking other fellow posters or making death threats or something, but titles?
Respectfully,
masterclass
That's just absurd. I'm so glad I left.
I remember getting banned because mods deleted a thread I made, calling it trolling (it wasn't), and I removed the "trolling" portion and reposted it and I got banned for "editing over a moderator's change."
That place is a disaster. Shame because it used to be a ton of fun. Now it's a trash heap.
Talk Tennis is a great forum more for actual tennis playing and gear discussion, not so much pro discussion.
This is a good fallback site for MTF refugees. But if someone opened up a purely tennis MTF 2.0 with better moderation, it would be huge I think.
agreed general Moonball Pusher.
talk tennis is a little better now days. they used to be pretty bad with banning and infracting the hell out of people.
they actually banned me for good for talking about Camelot at one of my threads.
at any rate I wont go back to MTF. it constitutes zero value for me.
I never gave them permission to wipe out all the castles that were accumulated at the castle thread. that was all part of the beginning history of those threads and how we built them slowly and surely.
they just keep shooting themselves in the foot.
just giver them 1 more year. there wont be anybody left there but a few legless, gutless, assless, toothless trolls.
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I'm very sorry to interrupt you on something I know nothing about but relating it partially to real-life it can be very similar in that some people in authority can't handle their authority & decide to show it off because they let it get to their heads. They don't realise that there are actually 2 main ways of exerting power. 1 is by teaching you well & being nice to you so you will want to do what they say & you govern yourself & you don't realise power is being exerted because you are mainly governing yourself but adhering to the rules. The other way is by getting heavy-handed & throwing your weight around. People feel less comfortable if you exert your power the 2nd way & normally just do what they have to & don't say anything to you unless they're forced. Consequentially, people don't have as much fun.
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MTF mods are just drunk on their little power and authority:
They not only ban you for damn near nothing, they also are quick to threaten you openly with bans.
That is just madness.
And of course they hand out endless infractions like they are going out of style.
i thought they were pathetic with perma bans and infractions before like 4-5 years ago but now they have taken that to the next level of madness.
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General, I'm not sure what their obsession is with thread titles lately at MTF.
Again, this user Time Violation, who has been promoted to Admin there, has changed an interesting, perhaps provocative, sure to grab attention title, to a boring one in the name of being "nice or positive".
Title was: "Is Gasquet the biggest vulture ever?"
Time Violation, obviously eager to try out his new Admin powers, edited the title to: "Is Gasquet actually the best ATP 250 player ever?"
Why change it? Agree or disagree, what harm did it cause? It also changed the meaning of the thread.
I think some of these mods/admins are overdoing it and cutting off the livelier personalities and cutting off their own forum discussion in the process.
Over moderation can kill a forum just like under moderation if not sooner.
I mean, sure, you have to lay down the law when a poster is abusive, or attacking other fellow posters or making death threats or something, but titles?
Respectfully,
masterclass
Great post general.
I have left several forums because of not just excessive moderation but out of control moderation.
I believe it is out of control at MTF.
It is at a point where they are just pursuing their own agendas.
They forget one very simple observation:
They serve at the pleasure of folks who choose to spend their limited and precious time there.
And now people have endless options with a vast array social media innovations.
Most forums are dead or in the process of dying. Only 2 large forums can be considered somewhat active: Tennis Warehose and MTF.
that is only because they are owned and supported by companies/corporations.
Even then these are mere shadows of what they used to be.
Talk Tennis (Tennis Warehouse) has a good thing going and they better not screw it up. But they will, eventually. I already see people in the Q&A forum there crying about moderation, or lack thereof.
MTF thinks it's God's gift to the tennis world and that posting there is some sort of special privilege. Mods there are complete idiots. Enforcing their political and tennis agendas through ambiguous and stupid rules.
I got a year-long ban for calling Marion Bartoli a lesbian cow.
I got another ban for agreeing with something Dologpolov said.
And now I'm banned for life because I called someone a cuck, lmao.
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General, I'm not sure what their obsession is with thread titles lately at MTF.
Again, this user Time Violation, who has been promoted to Admin there, has changed an interesting, perhaps provocative, sure to grab attention title, to a boring one in the name of being "nice or positive".
Title was: "Is Gasquet the biggest vulture ever?"
Time Violation, obviously eager to try out his new Admin powers, edited the title to: "Is Gasquet actually the best ATP 250 player ever?"
Why change it? Agree or disagree, what harm did it cause? It also changed the meaning of the thread.
I think some of these mods/admins are overdoing it and cutting off the livelier personalities and cutting off their own forum discussion in the process.
Over moderation can kill a forum just like under moderation if not sooner.
I mean, sure, you have to lay down the law when a poster is abusive, or attacking other fellow posters or making death threats or something, but titles?
Respectfully,
masterclass
That's just absurd. I'm so glad I left.
I remember getting banned because mods deleted a thread I made, calling it trolling (it wasn't), and I removed the "trolling" portion and reposted it and I got banned for "editing over a moderator's change."
That place is a disaster. Shame because it used to be a ton of fun. Now it's a trash heap.
Talk Tennis is a great forum more for actual tennis playing and gear discussion, not so much pro discussion.
This is a good fallback site for MTF refugees. But if someone opened up a purely tennis MTF 2.0 with better moderation, it would be huge I think.
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General, I'm not sure what their obsession is with thread titles lately at MTF.
Again, this user Time Violation, who has been promoted to Admin there, has changed an interesting, perhaps provocative, sure to grab attention title, to a boring one in the name of being "nice or positive".
Title was: "Is Gasquet the biggest vulture ever?"
Time Violation, obviously eager to try out his new Admin powers, edited the title to: "Is Gasquet actually the best ATP 250 player ever?"
Why change it? Agree or disagree, what harm did it cause? It also changed the meaning of the thread.
I think some of these mods/admins are overdoing it and cutting off the livelier personalities and cutting off their own forum discussion in the process.
Over moderation can kill a forum just like under moderation if not sooner.
I mean, sure, you have to lay down the law when a poster is abusive, or attacking other fellow posters or making death threats or something, but titles?
Respectfully,
masterclass
Great post general.
I have left several forums because of not just excessive moderation but out of control moderation.
I believe it is out of control at MTF.
It is at a point where they are just pursuing their own agendas.
They forget one very simple observation:
They serve at the pleasure of folks who choose to spend their limited and precious time there.
And now people have endless options with a vast array social media innovations.
Most forums are dead or in the process of dying. Only 2 large forums can be considered somewhat active: Tennis Warehose and MTF.
that is only because they are owned and supported by companies/corporations.
Even then these are mere shadows of what they used to be.
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General, I'm not sure what their obsession is with thread titles lately at MTF.
Again, this user Time Violation, who has been promoted to Admin there, has changed an interesting, perhaps provocative, sure to grab attention title, to a boring one in the name of being "nice or positive".
Title was: "Is Gasquet the biggest vulture ever?"
Time Violation, obviously eager to try out his new Admin powers, edited the title to: "Is Gasquet actually the best ATP 250 player ever?"
Why change it? Agree or disagree, what harm did it cause? It also changed the meaning of the thread.
I think some of these mods/admins are overdoing it and cutting off the livelier personalities and cutting off their own forum discussion in the process.
Over moderation can kill a forum just like under moderation if not sooner.
I mean, sure, you have to lay down the law when a poster is abusive, or attacking other fellow posters or making death threats or something, but titles?
Respectfully,
masterclass
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Slasher and his fellow idiots have destroyed MTF.
those **** idiots think it is a church.
they just cant stop meddling. I told them to stop but they would not listen.
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Babolat is a powerful racquet.
I want one too.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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FYI my quote function isn't working.
And I will think about sig and avatar, it's a big decision.
In tennis relation, I am close to going to the dark side...I am close to buying a Babolat :-X
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great to see you here lady D.
please visit more often.
take a look at the latest rankings:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/rankings/singles
Nick from Australia is a top 15 now. He is a gifted player with some weapons at his disposal.
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Whoaaa sweet. I need to get my avatar and sig. Looking forward to talking about anything and everything.
Greetings all!
Greetings Moonball Pusher
Hello General
Talking about anything N everything
Awesome can't wait !!
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let me know about your super sig.
once I know the players you like, I can make a monster super sig for you.
I am an expert in making mega monster super sigs.
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you can have a sig with 1000 images here at Camelot.
looking forward to your avi.
are you going to use the same one you use on twitter?
by the way we have a Pete Sampras section here.
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Whoaaa sweet. I need to get my avatar and sig. Looking forward to talking about anything and everything.
Greetings all!
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Welcome to Camelot friends.
Please make yourself at home. And post away and have fun.