CAMELOT FANTASIES

LOL TT, you must have lost your mind to think that my serial killer post has anything to do with the other discussion. They are two completely separate discussions happened to be posted  on the same night. At the very least, you should have noticed that herc only mentioned 'Australia, Spain, Britain and Argentina'. There was no mention of America therefore, I have no reason to bring all the American serial killing into this tennis discussion. lol

I am genuinely interested in the crime - both individual and world crimes (war is a crime). I have watched thousands and thousands of 48 Hours, True Crime Stories, True Crime Scenes etc. and read books. It's one of my greatest interests as to why people commit crime. I've been particularly interested in serial killers since they seem to commit crimes without any motive. They kill simply because they don't want to get caught and they are also the ones who have the least remorse, so it's very interesting to know that these day and age, we still have people who haven't developed consciously at all. It was interesting to find out which country had the most serial killing rate and I've also mentioned it was eye opening for me that Canada has seen its fair share of serial killings as well, but I think it's bit rare these days.

I should mention that I studied law and my main subject was criminology. I moved on to Business after graduating from law because I didn't want to see myself working with criminals all the time despite having an interest of finding out the real truth. I realized I could do that without getting involved. That's why I do research on these things a great deal online and post my thoughts on this forum time to time. I have done it in all other forums I'd been involved so far.

I agree about Andy, but Djokovic doesn't belong in that same sentence. His graciousness ends the moment the moment he shakes hands with his opponent. I have been watching Nole since he came on tour as well, and this is not the same champion that I've witnessed in the past. Ripping your shirt and bellowing like a lion does not come under class champion. Which is probably what I find most irksome about him as a whole. Who is he? One never knows from one minute to the next. What I can say about all of the other players is that this is how we came to know them. Rafa didn't start kicking and jumping up in celebration after he won a good number of slams. It's how we came to know him, so at that point I was able to make a decision. With Nole, I have no idea who he is from one tournament to the next. I guess he has too many personalities for me.

And, before he started winning majors he was always proclaiming how he, Rafa, and Andy were such great friends, but the moment he started winning he went on record saying how he couldn't possibly be friends with rivals. What? I can't get with people like that, because one of those statements are true, they can't both be true because they're contradictory.

Andy berating himself? I don't understand why people even bring that up. Who cares how someone internalizes their feelings? Andy, Rafa, Federer, or Novak have nothing to do with Pete. They're all unique individuals and each are allowed their space to be themselves. That's what makes sense; not that one should parrot the other. Individuality is a great thing in my book. I expect some to be flamboyant, stoic, ecstatic, etc. Variety is the spice of life.

Anyway, Nole isn't doing it so much anymore because many people didn't find it appealing and he has toned it down considerably. Good for him. It's the Jekyll and Hyde effect that I can't get with.

I've never seen any player behave this way. Ever.

The stuff Nadal used to wear (the cocky and apparent show off of masculinity) and some of his past celebrations have always put me off but I very rarely talk about these things. In fact, Federer and Nadal's finger waving is also something I brought up last night for the first time. I also don't read top player's post match transcripts to find out all the flaws about their opponents. These are all too insignificant for me to waste my time on it. However I only mentioned it because it was relevant to what herc was originally talking about yesterday.

I, for one, see nothing wrong with Nole's statement. He's never meant it to be disrespectful to his opponents. He didn't want to hang out with the likes of Andy, Rafa etc. since it's a very competitive sports and these top guys have to deal with each other quite often in the big stage of things, so it's not an ideal scenario at all for any of them. If anything, Nole was being very honest about his feelings. Even Eugene Bouchard has recently stated that she could no longer be friends with the British player Laura Robson stating the same reason. In the past, both I and some of Murray fans have agreed that Andy should not at all hang out with Nole and Rafa. Because he is so chummy with Nadal and Nole that he is unable to his best competitive nature against them and it's costing him big time. Nole did what he had to do and it was absolutely crucial for him and it paid off.

Nole has toned it down not because 'people' don't like it anymore but because it's no longer necessary (just like Nadal didn't do it as much after a few wins). He has already established the fact that he is just as good as Federer and Nadal and is now the best player in the world. He did that initially to state that he has arrived in the big picture in his cocky way. Nadal did the same after 2008.

And please don't tell me if I am entitled to like Andy's on-court behaviour or not. His on-court behaviour bothers me because it doesn't help him at all. He had lost it temporarily during Lendl season which had done him so good but now unfortunately, it has found its way back since Lendl departure. If he can't have handle on his behaviour thefore his emotion, he won't see much success in handling his game in time of need, because the situations require it. In fact, it demands it. Nole's behaviour is a prime example for this who happens to have the same type of game as Andy and yet, so much more successful than Andy. In the final stage, due to his this behaviour therefore, lack of confidence, Andy's unable to win against the top guys.

But I know deep down inside that had Nole had similar on-court behavioiur as Andy then the same fans would have found it very difficult to like it. It all comes down to who we like or dislike essentially for the agendas that we tend to carry. I strictly remember at T4U some Nadal fans really hating on Murray after he beat Nadal at the 2008 USO and 2010 AO, but now that Nadal has beaten him quite a few times since then, it's now water under he bridge. But Andy still has his fair share of Nadal fans who truly hate Andy. I've come across them at MTF in the past. In the end, it's all about carrying personal agendas because, ultimately, it's a competitive sport and anything that is of competitive nature is bound to have its nasty sides. Very rarely anyone watches the sport for the good reason there is.

If you are a big fan of Andy, as you say, then you would have supported Nole to win Paris, because Nole winning this tournament has the least negative affect on Andy's ranking that is the most crucial aspect of Andy's career right now. But I am sure both you and herc (as he too says he's a Murray fan) would want Nole to lose the tournament and I am fairly sure it has nothing to do with Nole's celebrations. When we are faced with the real truth, we often don't like it or look past it and that's the truth.

Quote from: Emma on October 31, 2014, 08:58:26 pm

But at the end of the day it's sports and pretty much everything goes. Nothing bothers me too much. It's the name of the game but I still want to stay fair and honest in my take. I don't like double standards though I admit, as a human being, it's very hard not to have those negative traits in our characters. In some of the die-hard Murray fans' eye, Andy could do nothing wrong. On the other hand, all the other players are **** or jerks at one time or another and that's not only common in Murray fans btw. It's worth mentioning that this kind of blind love and blind hate only stems from a very bitter place. They only need to look inside. I find it so ironic how some people are so oblivious to their own wrong doings and yet very eager to point fingers at others.

So do I. It's like they say, when you point one finger at someone else, three others are pointing back at yourself.

Feel free to interpret this any way that satisfies you the most.

I agree about Andy, but Djokovic doesn't belong in that same sentence. His graciousness ends the moment the moment he shakes hands with his opponent. I have been watching Nole since he came on tour as well, and this is not the same champion that I've witnessed in the past. Ripping your shirt and bellowing like a lion does not come under class champion. Which is probably what I find most irksome about him as a whole. Who is he? One never knows from one minute to the next. What I can say about all of the other players is that this is how we came to know them. Rafa didn't start kicking and jumping up in celebration after he won a good number of slams. It's how we came to know him, so at that point I was able to make a decision. With Nole, I have no idea who he is from one tournament to the next. I guess he has too many personalities for me.

And, before he started winning majors he was always proclaiming how he, Rafa, and Andy were such great friends, but the moment he started winning he went on record saying how he couldn't possibly be friends with rivals. What? I can't get with people like that, because one of those statements are true, they can't both be true because they're contradictory.

Andy berating himself? I don't understand why people even bring that up. Who cares how someone internalizes their feelings? Andy, Rafa, Federer, or Novak have nothing to do with Pete. They're all unique individuals and each are allowed their space to be themselves. That's what makes sense; not that one should parrot the other. Individuality is a great thing in my book. I expect some to be flamboyant, stoic, ecstatic, etc. Variety is the spice of life.

Anyway, Nole isn't doing it so much anymore because many people didn't find it appealing and he has toned it down considerably. Good for him. It's the Jekyll and Hyde effect that I can't get with.

I've never seen any player behave this way. Ever.

That's Carlos Berlocq from Argentina btw.

I also like Ali's this quote below:

The word 'Islam' means 'peace.' The word 'Muslim' means 'one who surrenders to God.' But the press makes us seem like haters (now they label them as 'terrorists').

Nole beats Nishi quite comfortably. I was expecting this. Nole didn't forget his expensive loss to him at the US Open. Nishi though might just be a tad tired given that he had to play 3 back to back 3 setters here in this tournament against Robredo, Tsonga and Ferrer.

Nishi has taken the lead over Murray in the ranking with his victory yesterday and now ranks at No. 5.

Nole leads Raonic 3-0 in the H2H. I have no doubt who I want to win this title.

Last night I was listening to one of Steve Wilde's interviews (I think) and there he mentioned about a British journalist who wrote something not so flattering about Obama in his article and posted it on his Facebook and the next thing he knew, his article was deleted overnight and his account was banned the next day.

Facebook, Twitter etc. are all very controlled environments. That's why I have nothing to do with these fake stuff. Freedom of speech, land of freedom are all an illusion created by the Governments. In reality, they don't exist. Reality is, we all live in a very controlled society by the people in power. Like religion, they create fear in people to have a firm control over the mass.

Anyway, I am off to save some of my close friends from their misery. In other words, I am going out with friends. The day is cloudy and gloomy and on the cooler side, but this is what makes me appreciate a sunny, bright day - the sharp contrasts of things that makes the personal preferences to come out. 

Oh and daylight saving is upon us again as we change the time to 1 hour back tonight. Yay! Ha ha...but that reminds me, even time is an illusion created by man so that we can organize our lives on this planet.

And I've given very particular examples as to why I disagree with the notion that some countries have produced 'class' athletes and therefore the they are the classiest countries. [/b

Australia - said it time and again that both Hewitt and Tomic are't and weren't the epitome of class. Even Pat Cash is not known all that innocent.

Spain - I've already mentioned Ferrer and Nadal IMO is the most controversial player in tennis history. Even some of the most neutral fans have questioned some of his injuries and subsequent multiple time off. There are other Spanish players who have come across cocky from time to time. We can't possibly overlook the facts that Nadal gets oncourt coaching from Uncle Toni and the fact that he's the prime suspect of time violation - both illegal and not in accordance with tennis book of rules and guidance.

UK (especially England in particular) - you guys are probably completely oblivious to the fact that Andy actually has a very love/hate relationship with the British tennis fans. A lot of them have hated him since the day he has turned pro. His simple innocent tweet has even generated comments like how he should have been killed in the Dunblane school massacre.  The tennis fans at WTF London are one of the most rowdy fans I've ever seen. It's worth mentioning that most of Murray fans hate Sampras with a passion. His crimes are, frist, he is a 'servebot' and second, he's got no personality. 

The fact that, Andy is a class act and he is, doesn't necessarily indicate the same mindset of all the other people that reside in the UK. If you read any of the match threads at Murray's World especially when he plays bad you will get a clear perspective of that culture. Quite a few posters have left because of the ongoing nasty and negative comments. And the hate on other players is very much evident in the same forum that represents 95% of British people.

I choose to state my opinions on different matters. I don't care if you agree or disagree. My opinions do not have to be dissected by anyone. If you don't agree, that's fine. I don't agree with many of the things you say, or how you say them, but I'm not going to take your opinion, put my spin on it and then tell you that you're wrong. That doesn't make sense to me. Live and let live. I don't care about the cultures as a whole. I'm talking about the players that I like and how they usually hail from the same country. What's wrong with that? Why does that need to be dissected? I don't get it.