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Quote from: thetruth on January 09, 2014, 05:46:16 pm

Quote from: Emma on January 08, 2014, 06:34:42 pm

Can't agree with  Amit Kalantri there. Love triumphs all. It's the purest, strongest, strangest and the most mysterious emotion of all. In fact, it is said that God is made of unconditional love.

Politeness, on the other hand, can be fake. There are quite a few people in history who were very polite on the outside and a serial killer on the inside. Had they had love for other people they wouldn't have gone on mindless killing.

Really? I think that some people are unlovable. Someone may love them, even the serial killer is defended by someone, but the ordinary human does not love everyone, even if that is the goal. TBH, some people can rub you the wrong way, sometimes without reason. You just know that this person is looking for your destruction, and it's hard to love someone that way.

But then, it begs the question, what is love, besides a vague term? Love means different things to different people. For the abused individual it may mean affection, for the independent person it may mean trust.

Although I bear no one any ill will. I cannot say that I love everyone, some people never touch my heart, in this case politeness will do.

I was talking in terms of love vs politeness. Love is the fundamental truth or reality. Politeness is just an aspect of the human mind. For example, relationships are expressed through love and not politeness. I don't think a mother loves her children because she's trying to be polite to them but the fact that, she loves them and often times, their love is unconditional. As in, it doesn't attach any condition to it - like for example, conditions like, if you are polite to me, in return I'll be polite to you. Anyway, that's how one defines the term of love and it's never vague as I have clearly defined it.

Didn't Jesus love all even his enemies btw? In fact, all the great ones past or present talk about love and almost never politeness.

Also, how do you define politeness? I can be polite to you but in truth I may not even like and probably cursing in my head? I don't think you can fake love that way. Also, a loving person is typically polite.

You can be polite to everyone if you choose it I suppose and not necessarily love everyone, but that doesn't mean you are being true to your feelings. Love means being true to your feelings. Even if you love only two people, you truly love these people; therefore, you are being true to your feelings. On the other hand, you can be polite to everyone but you are most probably not being true to your feelings. You probably hate most of them. lol (nothing personal just thought that was funny!). Everything is a matter of perception anyway. The person you hate is probably loved by many. Anyway, there's only one fundamental truth or reality out there and that's love. But of course it is also the greatest mystery of all.

Anyway, we can definitely agree to disagree as well.

We need jesse james here, herc!

Quote from: thetruth on January 09, 2014, 05:46:16 pm

Quote from: Emma on January 08, 2014, 06:34:42 pm

Can't agree with  Amit Kalantri there. Love triumphs all. It's the purest, strongest, strangest and the most mysterious emotion of all. In fact, it is said that God is made of unconditional love.

Politeness, on the other hand, can be fake. There are quite a few people in history who were very polite on the outside and a serial killer on the inside. Had they had love for other people they wouldn't have gone on mindless killing.

Really? I think that some people are unlovable. Someone may love them, even the serial killer is defended by someone, but the ordinary human does not love everyone, even if that is the goal. TBH, some people can rub you the wrong way, sometimes without reason. You just know that this person is looking for your destruction, and it's hard to love someone that way.

But then, it begs the question, what is love, besides a vague term? Love means different things to different people. For the abused individual it may mean affection, for the independent person it may mean trust.

Although I bear no one any ill will. I cannot say that I love everyone, some people never touch my heart, in this case politeness will do.

I was talking in terms of love vs politeness. Love is the fundamental truth or reality. Politeness is just an aspect of the human mind. For example, relationships are expressed through love and not politeness. I don't think a mother loves her children because she's trying to be polite to them but the fact that, she loves them and often times, their love is unconditional. As in, it doesn't attach any condition to it - like for example, conditions like, if you are polite to me, in return I'll be polite to you. Anyway, that's how one defines the term of love and it's never vague as I have clearly defined it.

Didn't Jesus love all even his enemies btw? In fact, all the great ones past or present talk about love and almost never politeness.

Also, how do you define politeness? I can be polite to you but in truth I may not even like and probably cursing in my head? I don't think you can fake love that way. Also, a loving person is typically polite.

You can be polite to everyone if you choose it I suppose and not necessarily love everyone, but that doesn't mean you are being true to your feelings. Love means being true to your feelings. Even if you love only two people, you truly love these people; therefore, you are being true to your feelings. On the other hand, you can be polite to everyone but you are most probably not being true to your feelings. You probably hate most of them. lol (nothing personal just thought that was funny!). Everything is a matter of perception anyway. The person you hate is probably loved by many. Anyway, there's only one fundamental truth or reality out there and that's love. But of course it is also the greatest mystery of all.

Anyway, we can definitely agree to disagree as well.

We need jesse james here, herc!

Yeah, we probably disagree. I do think there is an unconditional love, the one you have for the person who rears you, and for your child, because you can't turn that kind of love off...

But, when it comes to others we seem to fall out of love with those who disappoint us. Then, you wonder did you love the person if you were able to leave them and move on?

I know Jesus is love, but Jesus is also perfect. I am not. I have many limitations of which I am well aware.

Personally, I think some things substitute for love, for example, look at the reasons that people marry, many times it's external things, physical appearance, lust, economic stability, etc.

I say this because I have been fond of people, but love? I'm not so sure. So for me, politeness suffices.

These are the questions that plague me.