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wawrinka has the lead in the first set.


Tsonga is doing well against nishikori.


this is surprising. I thought nishikori's superior consistency and better court movement would rule the day today.

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Tsonga leads 6-1, 5-1.


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Federer is playing terrible tennis today.


his backhand is letting him down. still he can take this match. there is plenty of time left.

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hard to believe this. stan leads by 2 sets.


I expect Federer to produce the right response now in the 3rd set. he has to start playing smarter tennis.


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Federer had 4 break points in the first set but failed to capitalize.

he has had exactly zero break points since then. bottom line: he is not returning well enough to make an impression on this match.


you cant win if you cant break. he has got to do better on the return and try to get back in this match.

wawrinka is being handed too many easy points.

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I don't know why roger is not making the damn adjustments.


that serve was 136 mph to his backhand and he was on top of it. you don't go over that ball when you have had no luck with it  at all match long.

you slice that ball low and at least give wawrinka a chance to hit another ball.

and then he did the same thing with the next serve. he tried going over the ball. translation: 2 very easy points for wawrinka.


I don't get this at all. roger has one of the best sliced returns ever so why not just get the ball back and try to get into a point.

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congrats to Tsonga and wawrinka and all their fans. nishikori fought valiantly but Tsonga proved to be too strong in the end.



here is the order of play for tomorrow:



http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/scores/schedule/index.html

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Greetings everyone!

Finally, the quarter finals of Roland Garros are here.  7 of the men's top 8 seeds made the QF.  Only poor Tomas Berdych is missing. He had the misfortune of poor weather, where he has never been good (a lot of wind and high ball tosses don't mix). But one seed's loss is another man's gain, and Jo-Wilfried Tsonga is a deserving benefactor.  He battled Tomas and the weather, and was hitting his fearhand better than I've seen him since Canada last year.  If he continues that, he'll be the dangerous dark horse of the tournament.

Of course tomorrow, all eyes will be focused on the Nadal-Djokovic match. Many have said and are saying that it is not fair for Rafa and the tournament that they are playing so early.  I can understand that, but I'm not the type to pull punches, even if I admire them very much.  Rafa knew what was at stake. He had since the beginning of the year to work hard and get things right with his game, but it has taken longer than expected, and it cost him his high seed. One tournament win in the clay season would have been enough to stop this from happening, but it didn't happen. So it is what it is.

It's sad for me to say that for the first time in a long time I don't favor Rafa in a battle at Roland Garros, because it is not in his hands.  He has struggled too much and too recently on his favorite surface. For the first time, he comes into a top battle with only 18 matches in the clay season under his belt (14 + 4@RG). Last year he had 23 before meeting Novak, with a win in Madrid and a final in Rome. Before that, since 2005, he always had 25 or more matches played.  I'm surprised and disappointed that after early losses this year, especially after Barcelona, that he didn't choose to play in the lesser events that were available to get more matches inside him.  He had 3 tournaments available, Munich, Estoril next door, and Istanbul Turkey. Federer was in Istanbul and Murray in Munich, why not Estoril for Rafa? :( Ok, but he didn't.  You can't say it in any other way; he comes into this big battle undercooked.

So in my opinion, it's going to take the best effort Rafa can give to win this, but it may not be enough.  He is going to need some luck, and also hope that Novak is nervous or under par and below his very consistent high level of late.  That's why I said it is not in Rafa's hands. 

I agree with others here that say Rafa needs to have a good start.  I think he needs to come out guns blazing and snatch the first set quickly (like 3 games or under lost), and put as much pressure as he can on Novak to start the second set. He can't afford to just play level with him because it is a best of 5 set match.  He needs to treat it like best of 3.  And I believe he is capable of getting a great start. He has shown that this year.   IF he can do that, and play well for 2 sets, taking the 2 set to 0 lead, then he has a chance.  I'm not saying it will be sewn up at 2-0. Djokovic is the fittest player on the planet, sadly for Rafa, significantly more than him right now, and even 2 sets down he has a good chance to grind it out and make it last until his opponent is too exhausted.  But I think it is Rafa's best chance to snatch this even though almost everything is against him this time.  Even the draw worked against him. It was too easy.  Sock was the first top 100 player he played, #37, and even he ball bashed his way to taking a set from Rafa. Fortunately, Sock could not keep that level up for more than that.  But in the past, Rafa would have dispatched that match in an easy 3 sets.  But he didn't and we know he is susceptible to the fall off this year, even serving to win sets. He can't afford that luxury with Djokovic.  Djokovic would take that opportunity and run with it.

In the other quarter final tomorrow in the top half, we have Murray and Ferrer.  Murray has been good enough to beat an average draw to this point.  Ferrer had one of the two toughest draws to the quarter finals, only Wawrinka's was tougher, but has managed to have great results anyway. He has the best game won pct. of anyone remaining in the tournament.  He's playing well.  It would not surprise me to see him take out Mr. Murray. I put it about 60-40 in Ferrer's favor.

The quarter finals in the bottom half today should be interesting.  Kei Nishikori was the benefactor of a bye in the 3rd round, and it did not hurt him for his 4th round win. So he is the least taxed player in the tournament, which is always good for him, since he has appeared susceptible to fitness issues over the course of a slam tournament.  But his fitness looks good and 1 match less played helps him.   Jo-Wilfried Tsonga has finally started showing good form again.  His forehand looked superb in defeating Berdych.  The question is whether he'll be able to repeat that performance against Kei.  IF he can repeat or even improve upon his play and get hot, he is capable of blowing almost anyone off the court.  But it is a big IF for him. He'll need his best game and a bit of luck to beat Kei.  The match-up favors Kei, whose backhand is much better than Tsonga's. But on clay, Tsonga has a bit more time to run around and hit the forehand.  I make it 65-35 Kei, he has the winning H2H, but they have not played on clay. But I wouldn't be surprised if Tsonga takes it either.  He is the dark horse who is capable of raising his level quite high when he is on.

The last quarter final is Federer and Wawrinka.  On the H2H, it looks like an easy time for Federer.  But Stan has played very well here with the toughest draw to the QF. I think Federer has played about average for himself, though he looked pretty good yesterday against Gail Monfils, but some of that was due to Monfils.  If Stan can play his best, like at the World Tour Finals last year, and not be intimidated by his countryman, I think he has a good chance to win against Roger, and maybe a better chance to make it to the final.  I give Federer a slight edge, because he knows how to play Stan, but I wouldn't be surprised if Stan takes it and lets Roger move on to the grass season.  Federer is no spring chicken and clay gets very difficult at his age. Only 4 players in the Open Era have won RG past the age of 30.  Andres Gomez at 30 yrs. 3 months, Laver at 30 yrs. 9 months, Rosewall at 33 yrs 7 months, and Gimeno incredibly at 34 years 10 months.  But the latter 3 were before 1973. So that hasn't happened for a long time when tennis was different.   There is a reason, of course.  Clay takes a physical toll on the body. You have to be prepared for long rallies and long matches. It's a younger man's game.   But Roger has a chance still, because he is not playing standard clay court tennis. He continues to be very aggressive when he gets any opportunity.  He knows at his age he can't engage in too many long ralliies, even as fit as he is.  So he tries to play as aggressively as possible and give himself a chance to go deep. He has made the QF this year, so with a little luck he might go further.

That's how I see it.  Best of luck and health to all the players, and the same wishes for all the good people here.  Enjoy!

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Excellent post and commentary. Spot on in every way. I especially agree about Rafa. He had time to prevent the #6 seeding, so that is on him. He also had chances to get in more clay matches, but it is what it is. I think he wasn't motivated to do so, and even now he doesn't seem to mind. So, I as a fan, can't be disappointed. Sometimes it's not in you and you don't feel like doing something. That's life.

The best I can hope for is a good match. I don't care about dethroning and all that nonsense. This is sport.

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Federer was doing so good. a little inconsistent off the ground but he was making progress.

I am really in disbelief. he should have been able to solve wawrinka on clay in the best of 5 sets match.


his backhand let him down. that cost him big time on the return of serve too. wawrinka saw that Federer was struggling off his backhand wing so he directed most of his serves to that wing.


on another note: this shows what fitness can do. wawrinka is 30+. his average speed on his first serve was 130 MPH.


he was hitting forehands at 100 MPH and hit one backhand at 93 MPH from well behind the baseline.


he is spending time in the gym. he basically overpowered Federer with his physicality.

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Federer was doing so good. a little inconsistent off the ground but he was making progress.

I am really in disbelief. he should have been able to solve wawrinka on clay in the best of 5 sets match.


his backhand let him down. that cost him big time on the return of serve too. wawrinka saw that Federer was struggling off his backhand wing so he directed most of his serves to that wing.


on another note: this shows what fitness can do. wawrinka is 30+. his average speed on his first serve was 130 MPH.


he was hitting forehands at 100 MPH and hit one backhand at 93 MPH from well behind the baseline.


he is spending time in the gym. he basically overpowered Federer with his physicality.

I actually watched this match and Federer played well. I couldn't figure out why he was losing, or why Stan didn't lose his nerve. That was a tough loss, because it wasn't as if Federer gave it to him. But the good thing is that it gives him extra time to practice for Wimbledon, and he really has nothing left to prove, so...

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Rafa's reckless disregard of the single most clay season of his career is going to cost him today.


I thought he had enough game still to trouble djokovic but it is looking like I am going be wrong.


Djokovic showed with far better preparation and far greater focus and discipline.


Rafa' only chance was to snatch 1 of the first 2 sets.


Now it gets a lot harder.

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Rafa's reckless disregard of the single most clay season of his career is going to cost him today.


I thought he had enough game still to trouble djokovic but it is looking like I am going be wrong.


Djokovic showed with far better preparation and far greater focus and discipline.


Rafa' only chance was to snatch 1 of the first 2 sets.


Now it gets a lot harder.

He can't win them all and it's selfish of us as fans to not be grateful for all he's done. Rafa has been doing what he's done for ten years. A body can only take so much. This was his lowest form ever in his career. It would have taken a miracle to get up to speed. He could've made better choices, but I think he's tired. Everyone deserves to rest.


I don't think it's fair that he should be expected to win 14 slams in a ten year period alongside Federer, and then continue to win for the next five years. Rafa has nine RG championships, that can't be taken away.

This is one tournament. It's not life or death. There are more important things in the world; namely our health.

Nadal will be fine.

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he said he will come back more prepared next year so he can be "more competitive".



that is next year. next year starts today.


he wont win if he doesn't care to win. first you have to find the hunger, drive, and relentless will to compete and win.


he left the match in the 3rd set. the score was 6-1.


he left the match against andy murray in Madrid in the second set. the score was 6-2.


this is what tony had been saying initially before he decided to put a more positive spin on the state of affairs.


his traveling coach said that rafa always won in the past even when limping around. but now he is completely healthy and not winning.


at the current rate he will drop out of top 20 at the end of next year. I said at the current rate because his game and his fitness continues to decline.

also they are all out working him so the rate of decline is significant.


he now drops to 10. could pick up a few points at Wimbledon but then the inevitable will happen. he will run into a top player and get smashed to pieces.

remember that rafa lost 4 straight sets on the red clay to fognini a few weeks back. he got destroyed by djokovic in monte carlo. he checked out there too. the score was 6-2 in the second set.


I was holding on to a tiny bit of hope. I thought maybe rafa will do some problem solving in this best of 5 sets match and get this match somehow. I figured that nole might be off early on.


but I was hiding behind the truth and the reality on the ground in a way: rafa never came to win this. he came to lose here.


he said early on in the tournament that it is not the end of the world if he loses here. and that he had won plenty of times here before.


you go to every battle to win. Federer came here to win. nole came here to win.

Federer is not going to Wimbledon to lose. he is going there to try to win his 18th major.


Federer also stared down history. he did not stop when he reached 11 slams. he wanted to get past 14 to top Sampras.



historians will say the same thing I am saying. rafa had a chance to stare down history and he managed to lose his focus and his drive right in his prime.


that has never happened before. rafa stopped caring for some reason. more on this later.



the tragedy of all this is that I saw it coming. i saw this coming long ago.


he brought about his own decline. he defeated himself before they could defeat him.


so now they defeat him that much more easily.


he had a grand total of 3 forehand winners in 3 sets today. this is from the greatest forehand in history.



he has no confidence because he knows he is not putting in the time on the practice courts and on the fitness front.

i would not be confident either if i hit for just 1.5 hours in practice and waste 30 minutes of that time chit chatting and taking breaks.


i know somebody that went to 4 of his practice sessions. he said his practice sessions are pretty much a joke now.



so he better decide if he wants more conquests or if he wants out of the sport.


his coaches cant say anything because he brings home the bacon. and also because he is already an all time great. they also cant say anything because sponsors don't want to hear that he wont work hard enough to be competitive out there.




i am his greatest fan. i care the most.  but i am not going to sit here and celebrate his past victories in battles just yet. we have a lifetime to do that.

general masterclass will tell you the same thing: we all saw this coming long ago. as early as shortly after his 2013 u.s. open win.


and some of us saw it even sooner.


clay is the wellspring from which he flows. he must get his fitness and his physicality back in order to dominate clay again.

and then he can win on other surfaces. but now the window starts to close fairly rapidly.

so now rafa finds himself in a race against the clock as well.


i will hold out hope for one more slam but the only way to that slam is through clay. he has to get back on that surface and start carving out wins again.




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success of serena, Federer, djokovic, and now andy murray should provide plenty of motivation.


serena and Federer are older than dirt and they are doing it. one is ranked #1 and the other one is #2.

djokovic is outworking them all. he works out 3 times a day and never misses a day. he also practices year around on clay as much as possible. that keeps his knees and joints healthy and also keeps his ground game tuned up and sharp.

and now andy murray is working very hard also.



unless rafa starts training 7-8 hours a day on clay it is going to be extremely hard for him to win even a 250 level tournament going forward.

that is how much his game and his fitness has dropped.


it is really that simple. he has to work if he wants it bad enough.


and the in the off season--which is a lot longer now than it used to be--he has to put in very long and hard yards on the fitness front.


there is no other way out.

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Very honest and incredibly detailed  posts general.  Well done, sir.

To me, it was a sad, even if predictable day.

The previous day, I saw Roger losing to Stan in straight sets at a major. While I thought Stan was playing well enough to beat Roger, I didn't think it would happen like that. But it proves the margins are small at the top. If on the day one player plays incredibly well, and the other player not so incredible, this can happen.  I don't think Roger played poorly at all, but he didn't play well enough when it mattered. Federer probably has in his arsenal the biggest variety in tennis, but that only helps if you can use it. 

The very windy day favored the person who could do what he wanted the most and not be affected by the wind.  Usually, Federer is a pretty good wind player. Recall that he beat Agassi in a gale wind at the US Open in 2004, I think.  Even beating Nadal at Indian Wells in the cool desert strong wind of 2012  But usually the best player in wind is the one who has the ability to hit through it the strongest, and with a low ball toss and strong serve.  And this day it was Wawrinka.  He did it better and stronger than Federer, simple as that.  Federer didn't serve well enough and got broken, and he couldn't return the monster Wawrinka 1st serve (averaging 130 mph) well enough to break, because he kept Federer guessing where it was going and placed it well.  You can't win if you can't break.  It's also difficult to use the volley on a windy day because the wind can make the balls that one can usually volley easily (like the floaters) dip or sail or go left and right at the last second, and it is easy to make an error.  The drop shot can also be a tricky proposition. Sometimes it works well, when the wind is against you, but other times it is just not worth it.  The slice and lobs can also be very tricky in wind to get right.  And slice is the shot that Roger usually uses against Wawrinka to change up the pace of the game and throw Wawrinka out of his power game rhythm.  Federer just couldn't use it enough. 

Give Wawrinka credit.  He was hitting incredibly well, hard, from a few meters behind the baseline and getting the ball to the Federer baseline.  To me, Stan basically played the Rafa rally game when Rafa was near his best.  But Stan also has the big serve.  He executed better and deservedly won.  I think he has a big chance to win the tournament if he plays like he did against Federer.  Roger said he will take a few days off and then go right to work on his grass game, which fits the aggressive style he has been playing anyway.

Now back to Nadal and Djokovic.  Unfortunately, it was no surprise to me or others who have followed him.  We all saw it coming and he saw it coming. No tournaments won during the clay season. Inconsistent play and losses to players he used to own. Rafa didn't have enough good clay matches in him to improve enough before he played Djokovic.  He played with a lot of heart in the first set, coming back from a 0-4 deficit, but then couldn't even make it to the tiebreaker with his poor service game and lost the first set.  He fought pretty well in the second set, but got broken again at the usual crucial stage of the set and couldn't break back and dropped the second.  We won't even talk about the 3rd.  I think that even if Rafa had won the close first set somehow, I don't think the result would have been much different.  It's clear he doesn't have the endurance needed.  We all talked about some of the reasons for this, and it is likely a combination of things.  Fitness in terms of endurance is one component, but it is not the only one. He didn't lose the first set or second set because of lack of endurance.  Strength maybe, but not endurance.

But one thing is for sure for me.  If Rafa no longer has the real motivation to do what it takes (what he says publicly may different), then it is going to be very difficult to stay near the top.
If he does have the motivation, the drive, then I think he can come back as long as he is healthy enough to do so.  But it's not going to come from getting out on the courts and just working on his forehand.  Uncle Toni said after the match that Nadal is not executing the forehand as he should and that it needs a lot of work.  Maybe it is not, and maybe Team Nadal knows better than I do, but I think it's a mistake to focus on the forehand.  I think the forehand is under too much pressure at this stage of Nadal's career.  I believe Nadal needs to adapt to his aging and his body's capabilities, much like Federer has had to do.  For him, Rafa, I think he needs more balanced play.  I don't think he can play the extremes, on the edge, as he was used to.  He was able to do that when he was more physical, younger, when he had more burst speed.

Aside from fitness improvements, which may be limited to his current physical health, I would work on the following technical issues:

If it were me, one of the first things I would do, is get Rafa to stop running around the forehand so much.  He needs to play a more balanced game.  He needs to work on that backhand so that he can get it back repeatedly, not just 3, 4, or 5 times before he nets it or sails one.  As soon as that happens in the match, and he loses confidence in the backhand drive, you will see he either runs around it, and puts himself way out of the court to hit the forehand, or he uses the defensive backhand slice, which is a safer shot, but tends to sit up for the opponent and he loses the offensive advantage.  Instead, if were to really work on his two handed backhand, make it as dependable as other top player's backhands, like Djokovic, then he wouldn't need to do that.  And, he could automatically cover his forehand side easier, putting less pressure on himself to make a fantastic forehand shot on the run. He wouldn't have to rely on his speed as much if he plays more balanced.  If he improved the backhand, I think the forehand would take care of itself.

Second, the return needs work.  If he can't get the return back to decent depth more than he is, he is going to have a hard time breaking serve.  I don't think he can stand so far back anymore. Now perhaps this is because of a drop in physical strength.  If so, and he can't get it back for whatever reason, then he needs to get closer to the baseline.  He needs to work with a big server and get some confidence standing closer and returning sooner, so that it puts some pressure back on the server.  He is giving the server too much time and space to dominate the point.

Third, he could stand to improve his serve and get some easier points.  Even Djokovic has done this, since hiring Becker, and he has benefited from it.  It doesn't have to be a great deal of improvement, but some would help.

Fourth, he should begin considering using his good volley skills more to shorten points on occasion to mix things up.  Now, he only seems to volley when he absolutely needs to or is forced to because of a short ball.  More doubles would help him, only if he plays doubles correctly, coming to net and playing the volley game to enhance his reflexes.

Anyway, this is what I would advise, but again, I'm not privy to all that is going on with him, so take it for what it is worth.

Finally,  to put it in perspective, he's won 9 titles at Roland Garros. Nobody can take from him. 
On the other hand, he has come up empty during his best part of the season.  If Tsonga should somehow beat Wawrinka (I doubt it, but you never know with the French crowd, etc.), then Rafa is out of the top 10 for the first time since early 2005, as Wimbledon approaches.  The good news is he has almost no points to defend after that, and has a great opportunity to get that ranking back up there so that he avoids playing top players too early in draws.  So he needs to decide how much more work and effort he wants to put into his tennis.  Don't write him off just yet. You can't do that with the great ones until they hang up their racquets.

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