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masterclass · « **Reply #2880 on:** September 13, 2015, 08:17:09 am »

Quote from: thetruth on September 13, 2015, 05:17:49 am

Congrats to Flavia Pennetta, a wonderful young lady, loved by all the women on the tour, and a great champion. How awesome to win her first major, retire, and ride off into the sunset. A hard earned and deserved victory as she beat Kvitova, Stosur, and Halep to get into the championship.

Whatever is meant, will be. Go Flavia.

Well said Lady TT and general hercules. I would add to what you said general about mental discipline. I think Roberta's doubles play in slam finals gave her the mental experience to keep her from being too nervous and the all court play to win against someone like Serena.
For too long the WTA has been missing players that play top level all court tennis with variety like a Hingis or Henin, so it's good to see.

Very emotional last two days for the older players, Serena, Roberta, and Flavia.
Roberta Vinci beating Serena in the semis was incredible for her. She won a lot of fans with her honest and humble joy.
Then both Vinci and Penneta had to play the next day in the final, and gave it their best and comrades to the end, and Flavia wins,and announces her retirement, riding off into the sunset as you said.

I'm not sure if it is what he wants, but this is similar to what I would like for Rafa, or for that matter Roger.
To win his 10th Roland Garros against a top player and then ride off into the sunset.
He's done more than anyone on the planet in the history of the sport there.

I think Federer winning a historic 8th Wimbledon would be another career ending moment.

But today it's the US Open Men's Final.
Who snatches it?

If it goes 5 sets, I'm leaning to Djokovic because he is just the fittest player on the planet, otherwise, I think Federer can snatch it if he continues his play of late. His serve has been immense, and his defense, when needed, has been superb. You don't win tiebreakers against Johnny Isnahhh 7-0 without a great return and good defense.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Clay Death · « **Reply #2881 on:** September 13, 2015, 11:22:23 am »

Que pasa General masterclass.

Flavia becomes the oldest player in the open era to capture a slam. And it was not even her best surface but clay prowess gave her the edge.

Another interesting fact:

Roberta Vinci and Flavia grew up 40 miles apart.

65 kilometers.

thetruth · « **Reply #2882 on:** September 13, 2015, 08:33:37 pm »

I'm going to bed. This match is not good at all. Errors, dips, and erratic play. I guess I'll find out tomorrow it's making my head hurt.

Clay Death · « **Reply #2883 on:** September 13, 2015, 10:37:59 pm »

general masterclass was right:

roger needed 2 of the first 3 sets.

masterclass · « **Reply #2884 on:** September 13, 2015, 11:36:06 pm »

Yep. Federer threw that match away. Novak was there for the taking. I'm not happy with the Swiss Assassin. He really had Novak behind the 8 ball in many of his service games, love - 40 or, 15-40, and either played too safe on those points, got into rallies and ended up making errors, or he hit wild shots on easy sitters. On other points he was aggressive and did well. For some reason he crawled into a hole on the crucial points, like a scared rabbit, after just beating the guy in straight sets in the Cincinnati Masters.

Federer : 4 for 24 on break points. 1 out of 11 on second serve break points. Third set Federer had a 2 sitter forehands for break point to go up 2 sets to 1 and blew it, one he hit right at Novak for some reason with the whole court wide open, then soon after, tactically worked hard to move Djokovic out of the court, but about 6 feet from the net hit an easy forehand sitter long past the open court that you or I could have made, and Novak ended up winning the 3rd set.

Novak: 35 Winners, 37 UE's. 6/13 on break points.
Roger: 56 Winners, 54 UE's. 4/24 on break points.

Congrats to Novak on his 10th major win. Commiserations to Roger, who for some reason is not getting it done vs. Nole in majors, even when presented with great opportunity.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Clay Death · « **Reply #2885 on:** September 14, 2015, 12:34:14 am »

Quote from: masterclass on September 13, 2015, 11:36:06 pm

Yep. Federer threw that match away. Novak was there for the taking. I'm not happy with the Swiss Assassin. He really had Novak behind the 8 ball in many of his service games, love - 40 or, 15-40, and either played too safe on those points, got into rallies and ended up making errors, or he hit wild shots on easy sitters. On other points he was aggressive and did well. For some reason he crawled into a hole on the crucial points, like a scared rabbit, after just beating the guy in straight sets in the Cincinnati Masters.

Federer : 4 for 24 on break points. 1 out of 11 on second serve break points. Third set Federer had a 2 sitter forehands for break point to go up 2 sets to 1 and blew it, one he hit right at Novak for some reason with the whole court wide open, then soon after, tactically worked hard to move Djokovic out of the court, but about 6 feet from the net hit an easy forehand sitter long past the open court that you or I could have made, and Novak ended up winning the 3rd set.

Novak: 35 Winners, 37 UE's. 6/13 on break points.
Roger: 56 Winners, 54 UE's. 4/24 on break points.

Congrats to Novak on his 10th major win. Commiserations to Roger, who for some reason is not getting it done vs. Nole in majors, even when presented with great opportunity.

Respectfully,
masterclass

I guess it was just not meant to be. roger has way too much experience on the big stage to throw this away like this. he had this slam.

he could have dismantled djokovic today. these opportunities are difficult to come by.

I am just at a loss.

4 for 24 is on break points is not acceptable at this stage for anybody, let alone for roger. he made it too simple for his adversary.

Clay Death · « **Reply #2886 on:** September 14, 2015, 12:38:51 am »

I am quite upset:

roger keeps giving away slams. rafa rather vacation, and go to boating shows, and whatever else that comes to mind than play tennis.

and poor andy does not have a dominant forehand to deal with djokovic.

djokovic could run past both rafa and roger at this rate.

I will go ahead and say it now. it is pretty much a given now that djokovic is going to be sitting on 15-16 slams.

masterclass · « **Reply #2887 on:** September 14, 2015, 06:02:00 am »

You're right general. Who can stop him in 5 sets?

An aging brilliant Federer? Clearly it's very difficult for him to keep mentally focused for some reason in a 5 set match. Yet rather sadly, he is the only one giving Novak battle most recently. Well, Stan as well, sometimes.

Nadal? Well, I still think he has 1 RG left in him, but I don't know if he wants it badly enough. He must realize the window is quickly closing.

Murray? As you said. Lacking in areas. Forehand, weak 2nd serve, and a bit of a mental thing with the top players.

Wawrinka? Ok, his best level matches up well with Djokovic on the slower courts like AO and RG, where he beat Novak this year. But you never know if he will be there at the end of a tournament.

Nobody else has challenged him.

Unfortunately Del Potro seems to be permanently injured with the wrists. I hope not, but it's not looking good for him.
I always thought if he could be healthy he would be there with Novak and Andy once Rafa and Roger diminished.

Cilic may have been a 1 timer and he is 0-14 vs. Djokovic anyway.

The generation following Djokovic, Nadal? Like Nishikori, Raonic, Dimitrov?

Nishikori, maybe, but he seems too brittle and prone to upsets.

Raonic, no. Dimitrov, looking less likely as time goes by.

The rest just don't seem slam material, and they are hardly competitive with the top players.

The younger generation of Kokkinakis, Coric, Kyrgios, etc. Maybe, but it will be a few years.

Really right now, it should be Nadal & Murray who should be Novak's main rivals. But neither looks up to it at the moment.

Let's see how Novak does next year. He'll be 29 in May.
But he is so fit, I think it won't matter with the lack of competition.
He could win 3 of 4 next year or even 2 years if he is still motivated.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Clay Death · « **Reply #2888 on:** September 14, 2015, 09:43:54 am »

great post general masterclass.

the headlines all over the world read that there is "no end to the djokovic domination".

only player that could have stopped him pretty much brought his RG crown to djokovic's house and handed it to him personally. Federer is the other one who has the means to derail djokovic.

Federer is up there but yesterday's loss is immense. he really needed this one.

thetruth · « **Reply #2889 on:** September 14, 2015, 11:00:19 am »

Quote from: masterclass on September 13, 2015, 11:36:06 pm

Yep. Federer threw that match away. Novak was there for the taking. I'm not happy with the Swiss Assassin. He really had Novak behind the 8 ball in many of his service games, love - 40 or, 15-40, and either played too safe on those points, got into rallies and ended up making errors, or he hit wild shots on easy sitters. On other points he was aggressive and did well. For some reason he crawled into a hole on the crucial points, like a scared rabbit, after just beating the guy in straight sets in the Cincinnati Masters.

Federer : 4 for 24 on break points. 1 out of 11 on second serve break points. Third set Federer had a 2 sitter forehands for break point to go up 2 sets to 1 and blew it, one he hit right at Novak for some reason with the whole court wide open, then soon after, tactically worked hard to move Djokovic out of the court, but about 6 feet from the net hit an easy forehand sitter long past the open court that you or I could have made, and Novak ended up winning the 3rd set.

Novak: 35 Winners, 37 UE's. 6/13 on break points.
Roger: 56 Winners, 54 UE's. 4/24 on break points.

Congrats to Novak on his 10th major win. Commiserations to Roger, who for some reason is not getting it done vs. Nole in majors, even when presented with great opportunity.

Respectfully,
masterclass

It was an awful match. Both were ripe for the taking. Federer came out tense, nervous, and afraid and the same with Novak. Novak hadn’t played particularly well the entire tournament; much credit goes to the quality of his opponents, and the same with Federer. They had a few good points scattered throughout the match, but the match was played as if either one was willing to capitulate at the slightest sign of adversity. The error count for both was atrocious. Balls spraying everywhere; it was a disappointing performance from both players. 4/24 is abysmal, because Federer did not make Novak earn those reprieves. I couldn’t believe it.

I don’t know how Federer bungled that second set. It would’ve given him great confidence. Novak was off during most of that final and the gushing by the commentators was BS. Neither one played well and any hot player facing them would’ve taken that match.

It was a disappointing end to the grand slam season.

thetruth · « **Reply #2890 on:** September 14, 2015, 11:03:18 am »

Quote from: Clay Death on September 14, 2015, 12:34:14 am

Quote from: masterclass on September 13, 2015, 11:36:06 pm
Yep. Federer threw that match away. Novak was there for the taking. I'm not happy with the Swiss Assassin. He really had Novak behind the 8 ball in many of his service games, love - 40 or, 15-40, and either played too safe on those points, got into rallies and ended up making errors, or he hit wild shots on easy sitters. On other points he was aggressive and did well. For some reason he crawled into a hole on the crucial points, like a scared rabbit, after just beating the guy in straight sets in the Cincinnati Masters.

Federer : 4 for 24 on break points. 1 out of 11 on second serve break points. Third set Federer had a 2 sitter forehands for break point to go up 2 sets to 1 and blew it, one he hit right at Novak for some reason with the whole court wide open, then soon after, tactically worked hard to move Djokovic out of the court, but about 6 feet from the net hit an easy forehand sitter long past the open court that you or I could have made, and Novak ended up winning the 3rd set.

Novak: 35 Winners, 37 UE's. 6/13 on break points.
Roger: 56 Winners, 54 UE's. 4/24 on break points.

Congrats to Novak on his 10th major win. Commiserations to Roger, who for some reason is not getting it done vs. Nole in majors, even when presented with great opportunity.

Respectfully,
masterclass

I guess it was just not meant to be. roger has way too much experience on the big stage to throw this away like this. he had this slam.

he could have dismantled djokovic today. these opportunities are difficult to come by.

I am just at a loss.

4 for 24 is on break points is not acceptable at this stage for anybody, let alone for roger. he made it too simple for his adversary.

I think the three hour delay grossly affected the match and the players. They were both so tense throughout and never settled into playing their games. Bad luck for Roger. Opportunity missed.

masterclass · « **Reply #2891 on:** September 15, 2015, 03:49:30 am »

I completely agree Lady TT, great posts. They probably ate dinner too early and then were afraid to eat much later. I saw them eating both snacks as they were playing.

Respectfully,
masterclass

masterclass · « **Reply #2892 on:** September 15, 2015, 03:57:52 am »

I have to take a bit of time here to rant about the crowd for the final. Now, no doubt they were waiting a long time for the final to start because of the rain, and probably many were drunk by the start of the final.

The Ashe crowd was disgusting and stupid. If they really wanted their man Federer to win, and been smart, they should have been totally silent for all of Novak's shots, like a church full of people listening to the priest. Good shot, great shot, bad shot, fault, double fault, no matter.

This is the correct strategy for a crowd who wants their man to beat Nole.for a player of Novak's psyche. It is respectful but damning at the same time. Being quiet when he makes bad shots is respectful and only common tennis etiquette.

But the thing that hurts Nole the worst, is when there is no applause, nothing, just silence for his great shots and efforts. We've seen evidence of this many times. When he feels under appreciated, it is then he tries to lift the crowd up, lifting his arms in the hope of getting deserved appreciation and adulation. If all he receives is silence, he can't understand and it devastates him. It is the worst thing for him. It completely shatters him. There is nothing worse for him than to be totally ignored.

But instead, the ignorant and largely inebriated crowd cheered or mocked his bad shots, maybe some even used bad language. This has the opposite effect on a man like Novak. It just spurs him on in defiance. It makes him furious, stronger and he hits back even harder.

So for the crowd of Federer fans who carried out this behavior, you can only blame yourselves for goading Novak to a level where he refused to give up on shots, running everything down and making the great Federer attempt winner after winner, only to see them amazingly come back in his face. When attacked, Nole defended, defended, and then attacked back. What could Federer do in the face of that? Due to Nole's extreme effort and the slower humid night conditions, Federer was hitting lines and still couldn't get the ball past Novak. His only chance was to come to the net even more, but he wasn't quite brave enough to do it in the crucial points. He knows it now, but too late for him. Fortune favors the bravest!

THIS IS SPARTAAA! (Guess who that is next to Novak)

Respectfully,
masterclass

thetruth · « **Reply #2893 on:** September 15, 2015, 08:33:27 am »

Quote from: masterclass on September 15, 2015, 03:57:52 am

I have to take a bit of time here to rant about the crowd for the final. Now, no doubt they were waiting a long time for the final to start because of the rain, and probably many were drunk by the start of the final.

The Ashe crowd was disgusting and stupid. If they really wanted their man Federer to win, and been smart, they should have been totally silent for all of Novak's shots, like a church full of people listening to the priest. Good shot, great shot, bad shot, fault, double fault, no matter.

This is the correct strategy for a crowd who wants their man to beat Nole.for a player of Novak's psyche. It is respectful but damning at the same time. Being quiet when he makes bad shots is respectful and only common tennis etiquette.

But the thing that hurts Nole the worst, is when there is no applause, nothing, just silence for his great shots and efforts. We've seen evidence of this many times. When he feels under appreciated, it is then he tries to lift the crowd up, lifting his arms in the hope of getting deserved appreciation and adulation. If all he receives is silence, he can't understand and it devastates him. It is the worst thing for him. It completely shatters him. There is nothing worse for him than to be totally ignored.

But instead, the ignorant and largely inebriated crowd cheered or mocked his bad shots, maybe some even used bad language. This has the opposite effect on a man like Novak. It just spurs him on in defiance. It makes him furious, stronger and he hits back even harder.

So for the crowd of Federer fans who carried out this behavior, you can only blame yourselves for goading Novak to a level where he refused to give up on shots, running everything down and making the great Federer attempt winner after winner, only to see them amazingly come back in his face. When attacked, Nole defended, defended, and then attacked back. What could Federer do in the face of that? Due to Nole's extreme effort and the slower humid night conditions, Federer was hitting lines and still couldn't get the ball past Novak. His only chance was to come to the net even more, but he wasn't quite brave enough to do it in the crucial points. He knows it now, but too late for him. Fortune favors the bravest!

THIS IS SPARTAAA! (Guess who that is next to Novak)

Respectfully,
masterclass

The crowd didn't seem that bad to me for most of the match. I thought they were pretty fair, but they did get raucous at crucial stages in the stages, break points, set points, can we get another set points. The only time I thought they were bad was when Federer was fighting for that second set, but that's normal crowd behavior. They're always cheering the guy that's down because they want another set. It happens to everyone. I don't it's because they're favoring one over the other, they just want more bang for their buck.

Nole knows this, but he doesn't care. He wants the adulation so bad that he overlooks this in every match and gets a chip on his shoulder and like you said turns into a machine.

It's so hard to like Novak because he's so insecure and needy. He's not going to be as loved as Roger and Rafa, no matter what their results, because on court they were also courteous, respectful, and gentlemanly to each other. It was a breath of air for fans, something that will be hard to come around again. When Novak sneers, challenges the crowd and acts like a caveman on court, what does he expect?

And if the crown was raucous, shouldn't have expected that? This would have been huge for Federer at this point in his career, any idiot should be able to understand that.

I am so tired of the commentators trying to shove Novak down our throats. As a whole, we don't like him, no matter how much he wins. Attitude is everything.

Clay Death · « **Reply #2894 on:** September 16, 2015, 01:29:02 pm »

I still cant get over the roger Federer loss.

this was immense and it got away from him.

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