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Who will lose in the 2014 French Open (Rafa Garros) Final?

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David Ferrer
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Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
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Juan Martin del Potro
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Tomas Berdych
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Roger Federer
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Stan Wawrinka
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Richard Gasquet
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Tommy Haas
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Pablo Carreño
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Tommy Robredo
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Nikolay Davydenko
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Andy Murray
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Jerzy Janowicz
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Grigor Dimitrov
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So, both semi-finals are on Friday. A nice day of rest for Rafa, hopefully he serves well against Andy. And cuts down on those unforced errors, he was horrible today for the first 2 sets!

Yes, he was. The errors were alarming, but maybe it served some useful purposes. First, he had to buckle down, focus, and groove his game. Ferrer is good at feeding opponents plenty of balls. That will be good going forward as Andy is light years above Ferrer in mindset, talent, and mentality.

So far Rafa had not been challenged, so the sooner he was challenged the better off he was. Losing that first set, in retrospect, turned out to be good preparation for his Murray match. It's doubtful that he won't do his best to be focused from the start.

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Congratulations to Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal, their teams and supporters.
Commiserations to Ernests Gulbis and Andy Murray, OBE, and their fans.

So it will be a Nadal vs. Djokovic final for the second time at Roland Garros.
Nadal took it the first time in 4 sets. Will that change this time?

Weather is forecast to be rather warm (28C./84F.) in the afternoon, with a chance of thunderstorms from morning to early in the afternoon, prior to the match.

Rafael has never lost a final here, and is going for #9 at Roland Garros and #14 overall to tie the great Pete Sampras who never won here.

Nole is still looking for #1 and has won his last 4 matches against Nadal including Rome on clay prior to this tournament 

Good luck to both players.

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que pasa general masterclass.



I just finished watching the rafa match. he was taking way too many shortcuts again. the man just cant help himself.


he refuses to let his backhand get into rhythm and yet he publicly complained about the ineffectiveness of his backhand.


he just wont let himself have a backhand so what can you do.


andy was totally flat and totally worn out which made things easier for rafa. in my estimation rafa should have used this opportunity to prepare a little bit for the final.

he cant play with his forehand alone from his backhand corner against nole.

if nadal is going to take the final then he will have to let his backhand be a bigger part of the equation.


as you have suggested, this affects everything:

1. you don't return well because you are constantly trying to run around your backhand
2. it affects your forehand as you are almost always lunging and reaching for it because you have left all that space unaccounted for.
3. it affects your confidence in general

4. you cant keep giving up so much real estate at this level.

I guess tony cant tell him anything because rafa is surely not listening to him.


I think about the only people rafa listens to are his dad and his mom.

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What can you do general? 

Nadal makes it harder on himself, by taking the easier path (to him). He has a lot of confidence in his forehand right now, and not much on the backhand, and it's obvious. The player who can tactically take advantage of that will beat him.  We saw Spartan Stan do it in best of 5 in Australia and he overpowered Nadal to a point where Nadal strained so much to get to balls, his back went out on him.  We saw Almagro do it to him, in best of 3, because he has a lot of power, and Nadal was not good that day and it was only best of 3. 

Novak Djokovic is capable of doing it as well if he is healthy. He can hit with power from both wings and take advantage of the space Rafa is leaving open when he runs around the forehand.  Nadal has two options.  Rely on his backhand more (which is too late now to work on), or his forehand has to be devastating when he runs around it.  It has to be a winner or near winner that results in a poor shot by Novak.  If Nadal's shot is too weak, landing on the service line or before it, Djokovic will hit the forehand down the line to the empty space, and Rafa just doesn't seem to have that speed that he once had to run everything down.

It's hard to know what each will bring on Sunday.  They both are under pressure.  Rafa is defending champion again, and is going for #9 at RG and #14 overall to tie him with Pete.  Djokovic is trying to break through and win his first.

I think Novak should have a bit more pressure, unless he plays like he has nothing to lose. But I can't see that happening if he goes up a set.  Once he thinks he might have a chance to win, the pressure will hit him. The best strategy for him would be to keep it close if he can and get it to a fifth set and hope to wear Nadal down and take advantage of the space Rafa gives away.

Rafa should try to obliterate Novak from the start like he did with Andy Murray.  Come out smoking hot, and whip his forehand around and use the clay to his advantage.  Novak gets nervous if he feels problems with his footing. Nadal should try to wrong foot him as much as possible, or hit straight to Novak's body.  Rafa has to vary his serve like he did with Murray.  Murray who usually returns very well against the biggest servers, couldn't handle Nadal's variety of spins and pace change, and generally returned very poorly.  If he can do all this and keep it up, I think Rafa should win in straight sets or drop a set at most.  I don't think the pressure will get to Rafa unless it goes deep into a 5th set.

That's how I see it sports fans, but I have no crystal ball to know for sure. :)
Let's see what really happens... :)

Best of luck and health to both players, and may the best player win!

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What can you do general? 

Nadal makes it harder on himself, by taking the easier path (to him). He has a lot of confidence in his forehand right now, and not much on the backhand, and it's obvious. The player who can tactically take advantage of that will beat him.  We saw Spartan Stan do it in best of 5 in Australia and he overpowered Nadal to a point where Nadal strained so much to get to balls, his back went out on him.  We saw Almagro do it to him, in best of 3, because he has a lot of power, and Nadal was not good that day and it was only best of 3. 

Novak Djokovic is capable of doing it as well if he is healthy. He can hit with power from both wings and take advantage of the space Rafa is leaving open when he runs around the forehand.  Nadal has two options.  Rely on his backhand more (which is too late now to work on), or his forehand has to be devastating when he runs around it.  It has to be a winner or near winner that results in a poor shot by Novak.  If Nadal's shot is too weak, landing on the service line or before it, Djokovic will hit the forehand down the line to the empty space, and Rafa just doesn't seem to have that speed that he once had to run everything down.

It's hard to know what each will bring on Sunday.  They both are under pressure.  Rafa is defending champion again, and is going for #9 at RG and #14 overall to tie him with Pete.  Djokovic is trying to break through and win his first.

I think Novak should have a bit more pressure, unless he plays like he has nothing to lose. But I can't see that happening if he goes up a set.  Once he thinks he might have a chance to win, the pressure will hit him. The best strategy for him would be to keep it close if he can and get it to a fifth set and hope to wear Nadal down and take advantage of the space Rafa gives away.

Rafa should try to obliterate Novak from the start like he did with Andy Murray.  Come out smoking hot, and whip his forehand around and use the clay to his advantage.  Novak gets nervous if he feels problems with his footing. Nadal should try to wrong foot him as much as possible, or hit straight to Novak's body.  Rafa has to vary his serve like he did with Murray.  Murray who usually returns very well against the biggest servers, couldn't handle Nadal's variety of spins and pace change, and generally returned very poorly.  If he can do all this and keep it up, I think Rafa should win in straight sets or drop a set at most.  I don't think the pressure will get to Rafa unless it goes deep into a 5th set.

That's how I see it sports fans, but I have no crystal ball to know for sure. :)
Let's see what really happens... :)

Best of luck and health to both players, and may the best player win!

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Great post, but a crystal ball sure would come in handy, either that or a Ouija board. Desperate times, I tell you.

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if rafa allows his backhand to be more engaged and returns well then he has a very good chance to finishing this deal.



that is how I am seeing it.


those 2 things will take some pressure off his own serve. his biggest liability remains the return against a player like nole. that is why he has lost 4 straight times to him.


nadal can beat the world but when he does lose, he returns horribly and wont allow his backhand to get into rhythm. and that is the statistic that gets masked.


that puts him under pressure and it puts his serve under pressure.

and now nadal himself acknowledges it but absolutely refuses to do anything about it. his backhand was just horrible yesterday and he never gave it a chance either.


general masterclass have talking about this for years. the game becomes a little easier for him when he plays a little closer to the baseline and is also able to control the center of the court a little bit better.


you cant play this game at the very highest level hitting only forehands deep from your backhand corner.


people need to take a look only at the last match. he left an enormous amount of space to be had.


andy had no legs and was very flat. you cant judge rafa's performance by that match.


or at least I cant. I saw a very poorly performing rafa who was looking at every possible opportunity to run around his backhand.

that wont cut the mustard.



and now the good news. I said this before the tournament. rafa only needs to play one great match and it will be in the final.

so if he uses all the gears available to him and catches nole a little bit off and shaky then rafa takes it in 3 or 4 sets.


I agree with general masterclass: it is too risky for rafa to let it go into the 5th set because then anybody can win.


rafa can do this and I think he will. he just has to produce one good match at these championships.


for the longer run, he needs to work on his fitness and try to improve.

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if rafa allows his backhand to be more engaged and returns well then he has a very good chance to finishing this deal.



that is how I am seeing it.


those 2 things will take some pressure off his own serve. his biggest liability remains the return against a player like nole. that is why he has lost 4 straight times to him.


nadal can beat the world but when he does lose, he returns horribly and wont allow his backhand to get into rhythm. and that is the statistic that gets masked.


that puts him under pressure and it puts his serve under pressure.

and now nadal himself acknowledges it but absolutely refuses to do anything about it. his backhand was just horrible yesterday and he never gave it a chance either.


general masterclass have talking about this for years. the game becomes a little easier for him when he plays a little closer to the baseline and is also able to control the center of the court a little bit better.


you cant play this game at the very highest level hitting only forehands deep from your backhand corner.


people need to take a look only at the last match. he left an enormous amount of space to be had.


andy had no legs and was very flat. you cant judge rafa's performance by that match.


or at least I cant. I saw a very poorly performing rafa who was looking at every possible opportunity to run around his backhand.

that wont cut the mustard.



and now the good news. I said this before the tournament. rafa only needs to play one great match and it will be in the final.

so if he uses all the gears available to him and catches nole a little bit off and shaky then rafa takes it in 3 or 4 sets.


I agree with general masterclass: it is too risky for rafa to let it go into the 5th set because then anybody can win.


rafa can do this and I think he will. he just has to produce one good match at these championships.


for the longer run, he needs to work on his fitness and try to improve.

Even a novice like me knows that Andy wasn't in top form in that SF. And I have learned about that running around the backhand to get to the forehand. It's pretty evident, once you know.

I don't care what his tactics are, I just want him to get it done. This would be a monumental win. The best thing is that he appears to be confident, so that's a help. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Drat!

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Congratulations to Rafael Nadal, his team and his fans for his 9th, that's right, 9th Roland Garros title and 14th major overall!

Commiserations to Novak Djokovic, his team and supporters. He's now lost 2 Roland Garros finals, 0-6 in matches overall to Nadal, and like Roger Federer, understands how difficult it is to beat Nadal at Roland Garros. 

It was a very physical match with the weather hot and humid, and both players were in and out of there games here and there, with Nole probably being the worse for wear.  Nadal did not start off well, hitting short returns, of which Nole took full advantage. Rafa's backhand was also very suspect in the first set, much like in the match against David Ferrer and Nole took the first set 6-3.

In the second set, Rafa's forehand began to get stronger and his backhand was much more steady. His return still wasn't that great, but good enough, and Djokovic tiring, faltered at the end of the set, much like Ferrer to lose it 5-7.  He looked absolutely exhausted at the start of the 3rd, quickly getting broken by Nadal, and really just hung in there.  I thought too much. In my opinion, he should have given up the set easier than he did, except for his last service game.  I thought this was his only chance to get the 4th set. But he didn't do that, lost his last serve to lose the 3rd 6-2, and Rafa started serving in the 4th. 

Rafa kept in front, and broke Nole and was up 4-2, but then looked like he hit the wall, and was bending over frequently as perhaps his back was bothering him. Djokovic broke back, got back to 4 all, but then Rafa won his serve and Djokovic broke himself with a Double fault in the last game to lose the set and the championship.  He was clearly tired, and Rafa wasn't far behind in that regard.

Very tough for Novak Djokovic, with Nadal's forehand working and his ball really taking off, bouncing high in the warm weather once the court dried out from the watering it gets before the match, by the second set. Nole didn't look 100% healthy, in one part of the match was spitting up bubbles, almost vomiting on the court. 

In any case, well done to Rafael Nadal, Roland Garros champion for the 9th time. Rafa, now 28 years old, who received his trophy from the great Bjorn Borg, who won his 6th and final French Open at age 25, said after the match that he thinks Novak has a good chance to win in the future.  That may be if Rafa decides he has had enough.

But for now, he's still reigning champion and King of Roland Garros.
Congratulations again to Clay Warrior.

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great summary general masterclass.


Rafa was not to be denied on that centre court today.


he puts tennis in the global spotlight in achieving this seemingly impossible Herculean feat.


nole has nothing to be ashamed of. they are both great champions.

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I am not happy that for the longest time I was not happy with the clay warrior.

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welcome to Camelot general postpre.

long time no see old friend. please make yourself at home.



our man did it. this is truly a herculean feat of staggering proportions.



I knew he would get it done in 3 or 4 today but I remain in disbelief.

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Congratulations to all Rafa fans in here, well deserved victory! After the first set Rafa steadied the ship and except for that 4:2 service game in the fourth set was pretty solid. The forehand produced many inside-out and down-the-line beautiful winners and the serving was pretty descent.

On to the grass, hopefully Rafa is ok physically and makes it further than R2 at Wimbledon this year.

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I am not happy that for the longest time I was not happy with the clay warrior.

True, it was a difficult time for Nadal fans, starting with Australia and the back issues.

Apparently, these back injuries will continue to flare up intermittenly throughout tournaments going forward, but I'm hoping he'll play for several more years, at least.

 

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