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Re: Sony Open Tennis 2014 : 3/19/14
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2014, 08:54:47 am »
Kei Nishikori upsets Federer in Miami, 3-6, 7-5, 6-4.

This was a welcome surprise, or perhaps not so much of one from at least Kei's point of view.  Kei looks much stronger this year (maybe we can thank Michael Chang for that), has a better serve, and has been playing consistently well. He did the same in this match, playing at a consistent very good level, showing a lot of quickness and aggression from all parts of the court, hung in there with considerable fortitude in the crucial stages, and took advantage when presented with the opportunity.  It was an excellent match for him and well deserved victory.

Was it surprising from Federer's point of view?  He should have been very happy with his play off the ground in the first set. It was superb. He was hitting forehands with pop and directing his backhands at will, and his return was as good as I've seen it in years. His play needed to be that good to win the first set, because his serving, the first serve in particular, was rather startlingly atrocious considering his dominating performance on serve so far in the tournament, not being broken, and moreover allowing only a total of 18 points by his opponents in 3 matches. 

Federer's first service in percentage in the first set was a woeful 38%, so one of his prime weapons definitely wasn't firing. This is the weapon over which a player has the most control, and to not have it at one's beck and call is most unsettling for a player like Federer. Even so, he did not allow it's sudden demise to unsettle him and the rest of his game too much during the first set, but as the match wore on, even though his service marginally improved, it was missing in action numerous times, especially when he most needed it. 

After being up a set and a break to be within 2 games of the match, it looked like Roger's frustration with his service began to take its toll when his ground play finally began to crumble as Nishikori continued his assault with great success and Federer began shanking balls and making unforced errors with abandon especially on the heavily pressured backhand wing. Federer was broken back and then finally broken again by Kei to seal the second set 7-5.  All in all, Federer's serve was broken 3 times in a single set, when he had only faced a single break point in the 3 previous matches. 

In the third set, Federer was hanging in there, but was always under fire from Kei, and looked rather disconsolate at times with his play, the conditions, perhaps as a result of Nishikori's fortitude or unwillingness to fold under pressure from the end of the second set. Federer couldn't begin to fashion a break, whilst always in danger of presenting one to Nishikori. Finally, at the business end of the set and match, Federer succumbed one more time on serve after going down love-40. He saved two match points, but was helpless to return a final sharply angled shot to his beleaguered backhand wing at the last.

As usual in a case like this, people will wonder and ask how and why Federer's service and ultimately his play failed him after doing so well the rest of the tournament.  One might say it was Federer's first night match in Miami, or perhaps it was much chillier than his day matches, as evidenced by Federer wearing his Nike sweater vest during warmups, and maybe Federer couldn't get the proper rhythm and fluidity on his service motion, though he did crush a few serves here and there up to 129 mph. Some may use his age as an excuse, saying he's bound to put in a stinker more often these days.  Still, one can't be certain which thing or things might have so suddenly affected one of his prime weapons. 

Additionally, he obviously was faced with a player who was very aggressive, played well, and didn't collapse under pressure. Was he affected by the notion that he might have to play both Djokovic and Nadal in Miami's slower conditions?  Was he already thinking about getting back to Europe and helping Team Suisse in their Davis Cup mission this year, and joining his teammates in what was already acknowledged to be one of the year's major goals by his confederate Wawrinka? 

Who knows for sure?  Maybe Federer, maybe his team.  In the bigger perspective, his play has improved this year heading into the clay season. He seems more settled with his new racquet, and has produced some amazing tennis already to be in 3 finals, and winning the title in Dubai.

All one can say is commiserations to him, his team and supporters, and congratulations to Kei, his team and fans and good luck to both players as the year goes on.

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Re: Sony Open Tennis 2014 : 3/19/14
« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2014, 09:15:55 am »
Kei Nishikori upsets Federer in Miami, 3-6, 7-5, 6-4.

This was a welcome surprise, or perhaps not so much of one from at least Kei's point of view.  Kei looks much stronger this year (maybe we can thank Michael Chang for that), has a better serve, and has been playing consistently well. He did the same in this match, playing at a consistent very good level, showing a lot of quickness and aggression from all parts of the court, hung in there with considerable fortitude in the crucial stages, and took advantage when presented with the opportunity.  It was an excellent match for him and well deserved victory.

Was it surprising from Federer's point of view?  He should have been very happy with his play off the ground in the first set. It was superb. He was hitting forehands with pop and directing his backhands at will, and his return was as good as I've seen it in years. His play needed to be that good to win the first set, because his serving, the first serve in particular, was rather startlingly atrocious considering his dominating performance on serve so far in the tournament, not being broken, and moreover allowing only a total of 18 points by his opponents in 3 matches. 

Federer's first service in percentage in the first set was a woeful 38%, so one of his prime weapons definitely wasn't firing. This is the weapon over which a player has the most control, and to not have it at one's beck and call is most unsettling for a player like Federer. Even so, he did not allow it's sudden demise to unsettle him and the rest of his game too much during the first set, but as the match wore on, even though his service marginally improved, it was missing in action numerous times, especially when he most needed it. 

After being up a set and a break to be within 2 games of the match, it looked like Roger's frustration with his service began to take its toll when his ground play finally began to crumble as Nishikori continued his assault with great success and Federer began shanking balls and making unforced errors with abandon especially on the heavily pressured backhand wing. Federer was broken back and then finally broken again by Kei to seal the second set 7-5.  All in all, Federer's serve was broken 3 times in a single set, when he had only faced a single break point in the 3 previous matches. 

In the third set, Federer was hanging in there, but was always under fire from Kei, and looked rather disconsolate at times with his play, the conditions, perhaps as a result of Nishikori's fortitude or unwillingness to fold under pressure from the end of the second set. Federer couldn't begin to fashion a break, whilst always in danger of presenting one to Nishikori. Finally, at the business end of the set and match, Federer succumbed one more time on serve after going down love-40. He saved two match points, but was helpless to return a final sharply angled shot to his beleaguered backhand wing at the last.

As usual in a case like this, people will wonder and ask how and why Federer's service and ultimately his play failed him after doing so well the rest of the tournament.  One might say it was Federer's first night match in Miami, or perhaps it was much chillier than his day matches, as evidenced by Federer wearing his Nike sweater vest during warmups, and maybe Federer couldn't get the proper rhythm and fluidity on his service motion, though he did crush a few serves here and there up to 129 mph. Some may use his age as an excuse, saying he's bound to put in a stinker more often these days.  Still, one can't be certain which thing or things might have so suddenly affected one of his prime weapons. 

Additionally, he obviously was faced with a player who was very aggressive, played well, and didn't collapse under pressure. Was he affected by the notion that he might have to play both Djokovic and Nadal in Miami's slower conditions?  Was he already thinking about getting back to Europe and helping Team Suisse in their Davis Cup mission this year, and joining his teammates in what was already acknowledged to be one of the year's major goals by his confederate Wawrinka? 

Who knows for sure?  Maybe Federer, maybe his team.  In the bigger perspective, his play has improved this year heading into the clay season. He seems more settled with his new racquet, and has produced some amazing tennis already to be in 3 finals, and winning the title in Dubai.

All one can say is commiserations to him, his team and supporters, and congratulations to Kei, his team and fans and good luck to both players as the year goes on.

Respectfully,
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Great post as usual. Your objectivity is unparalleled. And you're right, who knows why his serve failed, or if he was looking forward to the road ahead. The conditions may have been too hard to overcome, it could be anything. The bottom line is that Federer lost. Kei won and tennis continues to move forward.

It helps when one can watch a sport, maintain perspective, and look forward to the next match.

Thoroughly enjoyed your post. 

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Re: Sony Open Tennis 2014 : 3/19/14
« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2014, 02:53:43 pm »
Thanks Lady TT.  I try to call it as I see it, but since I'm far from omniscient, I'm always mindful that there can be alternative views, facts, and explanations of events of which I am unaware.  I tend to rely on my rather lengthy observational background and participation in the sport, and certain other factors, which I consider more pertinent than perhaps others do. 

I do chuckle when some people are convinced that they are right and everyone else is wrong.  But look, everyone is entitled to an opinion, right, wrong, or often a mixture of both, and I never mind a friendly discourse of those opinions to mutually arrive at a reasonable conclusion, or in the end, even agree to disagree.  However, distortion of the facts whether purposeful or not, or various other argumentative ploys like red herring fallacies such as ad hominem, strawman, and countless other fallacies are laughable and simply not worth my time.

In this particular case, where many people expected or hoped for Federer to perform better or at least continue his excellence from previous matches, maybe he just had a poorer day at the office, combined with his opponent's good performance and was outplayed in the key moments.  These guys are human not machines, despite their often glorified status.  We can speculate until the proverbial cows come home, but in the end one player lost and the other won, and that's it.  Time to congratulate, move on, and wish luck and health to the players.  :)

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Re: Sony Open Tennis 2014 : 3/19/14
« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2014, 06:14:28 pm »
I will 2nd that. I have known general masterclass for 100 years.

he does call it like he sees it. zero spin and 100% objectivity.


it was just not meant to be this time around for Roger. it must have been nishikori's moment to shine and he did.

beating Roger on the hard courts is no easy matter.

this is a massive win for nishikori. now lets see if can use it as a springboard to further success.

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Re: Sony Open Tennis 2014 : 3/19/14
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2014, 09:05:43 pm »
Rafa gets by Milos in 3.

congrats to Rafa and his fans.




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Re: Sony Open Tennis 2014 : 3/19/14
« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2014, 09:39:21 pm »
Thanks Lady TT.  I try to call it as I see it, but since I'm far from omniscient, I'm always mindful that there can be alternative views, facts, and explanations of events of which I am unaware.  I tend to rely on my rather lengthy observational background and participation in the sport, and certain other factors, which I consider more pertinent than perhaps others do. 

I do chuckle when some people are convinced that they are right and everyone else is wrong.  But look, everyone is entitled to an opinion, right, wrong, or often a mixture of both, and I never mind a friendly discourse of those opinions to mutually arrive at a reasonable conclusion, or in the end, even agree to disagree.  However, distortion of the facts whether purposeful or not, or various other argumentative ploys like red herring fallacies such as ad hominem, strawman, and countless other fallacies are laughable and simply not worth my time.

In this particular case, where many people expected or hoped for Federer to perform better or at least continue his excellence from previous matches, maybe he just had a poorer day at the office, combined with his opponent's good performance and was outplayed in the key moments.  These guys are human not machines, despite their often glorified status.  We can speculate until the proverbial cows come home, but in the end one player lost and the other won, and that's it.  Time to congratulate, move on, and wish luck and health to the players.  :)

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We share the same viewpoint. I don't think that my opinion outweighs anyone else's opinions either. I think there are always many factors to consider and to think that I alone have the answers is beyond foolish to me. Offering different perspectives helps you to broaden your own perspective, but only if you are willing to learn. Anything else is rigidity which only serves to stunt a person's own growth. One of my greatest strengths is that I don't mind being wrong, because like you, I realize that I am not omniscient. But, I have seen many people struggle with the black or white principle without realizing that the world is gray.

Agree regarding Federer. It happened. That's it. A match, any match is an isolated event and has no bearing on the future. For all we know someone may be carrying a niggling injury, have a tummy ache, or didn't get enough sleep the night before.

Losses don't bear in-depth analysis. The match is over and the future awaits. Life is better this way.

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Re: Sony Open Tennis 2014 : 3/19/14
« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2014, 09:41:08 pm »
I will 2nd that. I have known general masterclass for 100 years.

he does call it like he sees it. zero spin and 100% objectivity.


it was just not meant to be this time around for Roger. it must have been nishikori's moment to shine and he did.

beating Roger on the hard courts is no easy matter.

this is a massive win for nishikori. now lets see if can use it as a springboard to further success.

l know. I thoroughly enjoy reading his posts. Masterclass is just that, a master class.

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Re: Sony Open Tennis 2014 : 3/19/14
« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2014, 05:37:23 pm »
Did anyone hear the bad news? Berdych just withdrew too.

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Re: Sony Open Tennis 2014 : 3/19/14
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2014, 01:43:30 am »
how are we feeling about the men's final?

I have good sensations, to quote Rafa. I think he really wants this and his hunger will put him over the finish line. Rafole matches are both the best and the worst, coz there's only a thin edge separating the two and there's no telling really, but I have faith.

That being said, I will be hiding behind the sofa later :D VAMOS!

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Re: Sony Open Tennis 2014 : 3/19/14
« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2014, 07:59:52 am »
how are we feeling about the men's final?

I have good sensations, to quote Rafa. I think he really wants this and his hunger will put him over the finish line. Rafole matches are both the best and the worst, coz there's only a thin edge separating the two and there's no telling really, but I have faith.

That being said, I will be hiding behind the sofa later :D VAMOS!

great avatar scorpio1641.



I am picking Rafa in 3.

It would help Rafa's cause greatly if he can snatch the first set.

i think he has to win the long rally against nole


win the long rally and you win the match. winning majority of the long rallies will break nole's spirit and wreck his game.


win the long rally Rafa. return well, get into the rallies, and then take majority of them.

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Re: Sony Open Tennis 2014 : 3/19/14
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2014, 03:33:16 pm »
Congrats to Djokovic and his fans for his second title of the year in sweeping the USA slow hard court spring series. 
Commiserations to Nadal and his supporters. 

Djokovic played very well, with no real blips, served and returned well, and kept the balls deep.  His backhand was superb today, and he hit it with good disguise.  Rafa often didn't know where it was going.  Nole's game and confidence looks well set up prior to the clay season, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him take a couple of titles.

Nadal's return was pretty poor, quite short and his second serve was not effective at all.  He was playing 90 % of his shots from behind the baseline, and played Djokovic's backhand too much and gave Djokovic too much angle to hit his cross court backhand wide to Nadal's forehand, which Nadal often couldn't reach because he was protecting his backhand side and failed to read Djokovic's backhand well.   I think the good news for Nadal fans is that Nadal got off the court fairly quickly, not having a prolonged battle on the slow hard courts and hopefully got out of Miami without additional injury.

Nadal has to get on the clay and start preparing as soon as possible.  I would say a Monte Carlo win is essential for his confidence now.



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I did not see the match and I do not intend to.

I know this fool's game so well that I can tell what happened without ever having seen the match.


anytime it is 6-3, 6-3 or 6-2, 6-3 or something similar, it is almost too easy to tell what happened with Rafa:

1. he did not return worth a ****.

that puts too much pressure on his own serve. now add even more pressure because nole has the best return in history.

2. extrapolating from the first, it was almost academic that he would lose his serve at least 3 times and he did.  that number easily could have been 4.

he got just one chance break and he was not able to capitalize.

3. all this also leaves him out of position as he is almost always behind the 8 ball. and you cant do that against a player like nole who is a machine off both wings.



rafa won everything in sight last year so he did not lose because of confidence issues. he lost because of practice issues.

he is not working hard enough on his game and his fitness and it is showing.


nole on the other hand said that he has sworn to outwork everybody and it shows.


I cant make it anymore simple than that. if you want to beat nole than you have to win the long rally.

that entails it all: you get the ball back on returns, engage him in battle/rally, and you win the long rally. if you win majority of the rallies you can start to get yourself in a winning position.


same with the serve: you serve big possible but if not then you spin the serve in deep and you get into the rally. same thing all over again. you engage him in battle/rally and you win the long rally. you again try to win the majority of the long rallies when serving also.


you can shatter anybody to pieces if you can do that.


you want to win the match? win the long rally.

rafa has always been able to do that which is why he has the highest winning percentage in the sport. the trick is to practice hard enough so you can keep doing that on the biggest of stages. this was a fairly big stage so it is another opportunity lost.


no real worries. clay is the wellspring from which he flows so that is where he will hit his stride once again. and then he can take it from there.

but he has to step up his practice starting right away.


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congrats to nole and his fans.

well done.

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All true General.  But to just out rally the other guy, you have to be more fit. 
And I don't think Rafa is close at this point. I don't see how he could be. He had the back issues which had to prevent him from training hard enough.
He had to protect the back first, if he wanted to continue playing, and then hope that his natural fitness and skills would be enough to win.
And against many it was enough, but not against Nole.

Looks like his back is ok, but who knows?  If it is ok, he should be out on the clay almost every day for at least 4 hours.
I hear guys like Muster and Borg sometimes put in 6-8 hours/day.

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Rafa mentioned in his presser that he will travel to Mallorca on Thursday. So, he will have a couple of days to relax with his family (he mentioned his little cousins) and then start preparing for the clay court season. That gives him about a week of practice.

I think he will have enough time to play himself into form. Monte Carlo is crucial for his confidence, though. Last year he lost the Final to Nole and that did not seem to affect the rest of his clay season. But the circumstances were different then. He had just won Indian Wells and had about a month long break to recuperate, rest, and prepare for the clay.

This year he only has a week. The loss to Nole in Miami is probably still on his mind. Also, he might be still a little cautious about his back problems and not go out and serve/play at 100%.

I have seen Rafa battle through much tougher times so I am confident he will bounce back again. Can't wait for Monte Carlo :)

 

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