Author Topic: Monte Carlo Masters: 4/13/2014 (Stan Wawrinka takes the title! ) (Read 5632 times)

Clay Death · « **Reply #75 on:** April 18, 2014, 09:15:40 am »

I don't know about that emma. rafa does not ever lose anything on purpose.

the fact of the matter is that he is worn out already. that was the real reason he lost.

not sufficient energy and fire. even a very bad rafa does not lost to ferru at monte carlo.

nadal had no business being in Miami. he went there to pick up a few points and to collect his $1.5 million appearance fee.

what is at cost? maybe zero slams and nole taking over the rankings.

nadal does not need the money anymore. endorsements keep coming. his 8 French opens also will translate into nearly a $1 billion for him over a lifetime.

what he needs is his fitness and his ground game so he can compete with these guys. losing to 33 year old midget with no weapons at monte carlo no less is pretty damn bad.

nole lost the u.s. open and decided to change a few things. one thing he did was to decide to outwork everybody on the tour right away. he still talks about it. he says he is just going to outwork everybody.

nadal has too many diversions and his lazy 2 hour practice sessions are not paying off anymore. he is older and slower so he has to do more and he is not doing it.

he should have skipped Miami and gone home to get on the red clay. he hung around indian well to **** around for a few days after losing early. that was just a tragic lost of critical time which he could have used to work on his game on the red clay at home.

I can assure you that he is in real trouble and we all saw this coming months ago.

he is not scared of stan or anybody else on clay. he has been **** around and it costing him.

a 35 year old with little or no singles game almost beat him in indian wells and should have beat him.

his lack of sufficient work on his fitness and his game is costing him.

thetruth · « **Reply #76 on:** April 18, 2014, 09:16:32 am »

Quote from: Emma on April 18, 2014, 08:40:03 am

Quote from: thetruth on April 17, 2014, 08:32:29 pm

Possibly. I just hate when he goes out that way. He's so much fun to watch.

Nole is on fire. Will Roger be able to stop him? I don't know. I wasn't really watching his match so I don't know what happened. I saw that Rosol was up a break and then he was down a set. Looked like he phoned it in that third set, so...

It's hard to say. I'd say it's 50-50. Federer likes playing Nole.

Hi TT, there was no 3rd set in that match. Federer took Rosol out in straight...unless you meant the 2nd set then yes, he might have done so since he couldn't win more than 1 game.

Hey Emma,

Another psychotic post from me, I can see how you read it that way. I was actually talking about the Fognini match when I was referencing the third set.

The Fed-Rosol match I didn't watch. Just fast forwarded through. I did see that he only won one game though.

thetruth · « **Reply #77 on:** April 18, 2014, 09:21:45 am »

Quote from: Clay Death on April 18, 2014, 08:56:22 am

Quote from: Mr.Tee on April 18, 2014, 07:56:30 am
And just like that Rafa is out of Monte Carlo. Well, he's had it coming for a long time against Ferrer, especially in the best 2 out of 3 format and he finally lost. 44 unforced errors in 2 sets - I don't remember Rafa ever erring that much. In addition, Ferrer played pretty solid which made it pretty tough.

Rafa needs to hit the practice courts ASAP, things are not improving.

he has been **** around mate.

how often does he lose to a 33 year old midget with no weapons at monte carlo? here is the answer: in the last 10 never but today because he does not work hard enough. you can just see how much fitness and how much muscle tone is gone.

general backspin also spelled that out recently. he looked slow and unfit in Miami. well he looked even worse in indian well.

and this is the same rafa that dominated the tour last year.

its clear that his fitness and his game has taken a hit. his lazy 2 hour training sessions where he just tries to hit mostly forehands was going to catch up sooner or later.

nole would demolished him in the final at this rate.

way too many diversions. what was the need for that stupid poker tournament. he should have gone out worked hard on his ground game for 4 hours instead.

he did the same damn thing in indian wells.

All true. He deserved this loss. Like you said losing to Ferrer with no weapons? And a tiebreak winning only one point?

There has been no hunger this year and it shows.

thetruth · « **Reply #78 on:** April 18, 2014, 09:24:01 am »

Quote from: Mr.Tee on April 18, 2014, 08:57:07 am

Quote from: Emma on April 18, 2014, 08:35:38 am
I didn't see the match. Do you think he tanked the match to avoid meeting with Nole or was Ferrer that good today? I can see Ferrer being that good only if Nadal is lacking confidence. But then again, that's not giving due credit to Ferrer. Although judging by the unusual amount of errors, it seems he didn't have enough confidence going into the match but Ferrer could have caused it too. I didn't see the mach so not sure what really happened.

I started watching at the beginning of the second set and Rafa was spraying errors left and right. He looked quite disinterested, no fire, no fist pumps. Ferrer was solid and aggressive, but Rafa was beyond awful. I don't know what the reason for that was, hopefully nothing physical. But his form has been crap lately and I am starting to wonder if he will be able to find it until Roland Garros.

Me too. I think he was lucky to win anything so far this year. He has been lackluster in his play, and in his attitude. Not the competitive warrior we're used to, at all.

thetruth · « **Reply #79 on:** April 18, 2014, 09:30:12 am »

Quote from: Emma on April 18, 2014, 08:57:48 am

Yesterday, I thought Stan would want to avoid meeting with Nadal if he's not ready though one must admit that, there's no shame in losing to Nadal on clay, but now I am thinking if Nadal lost deliberately today to avoid meeting with Stan in the next match. I mean the way Stan dismissed Cilic in the round before may have raised a few eye brows and he dismissed Raonic this morning too in straight as well, so clearly Stan seems to be ready given that that was the first match. And losing to Stan again this time on clay and there's always the chance of that, would really damage Nadal's confidence to no end.

I think these are good points, Emma. I'm inclined to agree. Knowing that his game isn't where it's supposed to be, taking a loss to Ferrer is ideal.

Even in the first rounds, although he won comfortably, he still didn't look like a man on a mission. He looked in both prior matches like he was trying to go on and off the court.

Dominating Seppi one minute and then going on a walkabout when he was so close to closing it out.

He's been doing too many unnecessary things off court, during this most crucial time.

thetruth · « **Reply #80 on:** April 18, 2014, 09:34:10 am »

Quote from: Clay Death on April 18, 2014, 09:15:40 am

I don't know about that emma. rafa does not ever lose anything on purpose.

the fact of the matter is that he is worn out already. that was the real reason he lost.

not sufficient energy and fire. even a very bad rafa does not lost to ferru at monte carlo.

nadal had no business being in Miami. he went there to pick up a few points and to collect his $1.5 million appearance fee.

what is at cost? maybe zero slams and nole taking over the rankings.

nadal does not need the money anymore. endorsements keep coming. his 8 French opens also will translate into nearly a $1 billion for him over a lifetime.

what he needs is his fitness and his ground game so he can compete with these guys. losing to 33 year old midget with no weapons at monte carlo no less is pretty damn bad.

nole lost the u.s. open and decided to change a few things. one thing he did was to decide to outwork everybody on the tour right away. he still talks about it. he says he is just going to outwork everybody.

nadal has too many diversions and his lazy 2 hour practice sessions are not paying off anymore. he is older and slower so he has to do more and he is not doing it.

he should have skipped Miami and gone home to get on the red clay. he hung around indian well to **** around for a few days after losing early. that was just a tragic lost of critical time which he could have used to work on his game on the red clay at home.

I can assure you that he is in real trouble and we all saw this coming months ago.

he is not scared of stan or anybody else on clay. he has been **** around and it costing him.

a 35 year old with little or no singles game almost beat him in indian wells and should have beat him.

his lack of sufficient work on his fitness and his game is costing him.

These are good points too, as it's all true. His fitness is off and it shows.

Clay Death · « **Reply #81 on:** April 18, 2014, 09:58:49 am »

ferru has lost his last 13-15 tiebreakers in melborune.

rafa has no business going away in the breaker against ferru or anybody else for that matter.

only good thing that is going to come out of this is as follows:

1. maybe now he will start to focus better on his training and his fitness

2. maybe, just maybe, he will give up his 3000 outside activities until the RG is in the bag.

what is most tragic is that he has never lost this much ground after having a good year like he did in 2013.

we knew he would lose some ground but not this much. his game and his fitness is in total shambles.

like general Tee says, nothing is given right now with the way he is going about his business the last 3 events.

Clay Death · « **Reply #82 on:** April 18, 2014, 10:01:44 am »

Quote from: thetruth on April 18, 2014, 09:34:10 am

Quote from: Clay Death on April 18, 2014, 09:15:40 am
I don't know about that emma. rafa does not ever lose anything on purpose.

the fact of the matter is that he is worn out already. that was the real reason he lost.

not sufficient energy and fire. even a very bad rafa does not lost to ferru at monte carlo.

nadal had no business being in Miami. he went there to pick up a few points and to collect his $1.5 million appearance fee.

what is at cost? maybe zero slams and nole taking over the rankings.

nadal does not need the money anymore. endorsements keep coming. his 8 French opens also will translate into nearly a $1 billion for him over a lifetime.

what he needs is his fitness and his ground game so he can compete with these guys. losing to 33 year old midget with no weapons at monte carlo no less is pretty damn bad.

nole lost the u.s. open and decided to change a few things. one thing he did was to decide to outwork everybody on the tour right away. he still talks about it. he says he is just going to outwork everybody.

nadal has too many diversions and his lazy 2 hour practice sessions are not paying off anymore. he is older and slower so he has to do more and he is not doing it.

he should have skipped Miami and gone home to get on the red clay. he hung around indian well to **** around for a few days after losing early. that was just a tragic lost of critical time which he could have used to work on his game on the red clay at home.

I can assure you that he is in real trouble and we all saw this coming months ago.

he is not scared of stan or anybody else on clay. he has been **** around and it costing him.

a 35 year old with little or no singles game almost beat him in indian wells and should have beat him.

his lack of sufficient work on his fitness and his game is costing him.

These are good points too, as it's all true. His fitness is off and it shows.

he should have never gone to Miami and Oregon before Miami.

he **** around for 15 days which could have been spent at home on the red clay.

of course we don't know how much his back is still hurting. that could be the reason why he is taking it easy.

but still if the back is a bit of an issue and I know it is then it was even more imperative that he get off the stupid hard courts and go get on the soft clay.

Clay Death · « **Reply #83 on:** April 18, 2014, 10:04:30 am »

there were articles surfacing weeks ago about how vital this particular clay season was for nadal since time is running out.

of course we at Camelot said that long before those articles started to surface.

still time to salvage it. he has to win Barcelona, rome, and Madrid. that would go way a long way to restore some order.

Emma · « **Reply #84 on:** April 18, 2014, 10:28:19 am »

I couldn't tell what was worse about the 2nd set of this Tsonga/Federer match. Was it the fact that Federer couldn't convert 1 breakpoint given so many; or was it the fact that he got a code violation for swearing. Or maybe Tsonga deserves more credit for holding each service game after a long struggle.

In any case, Fed had to take it in a TB and lots of drama was there too. No wonder though that he is now 3-0 up in the 3rd. Tsonga I don't believe has much left in him and Federer really wants it.

Emma · « **Reply #85 on:** April 18, 2014, 10:32:17 am »

herc, let's say all is true and that, it was a true loss to that 33 year old midget (now, now herc, you know you love Ferrer) but if he were to lose, then it's still a much better loss than to lose to either Stan or Nole. I mean as a Murray fan while I'd be pissed about the loss had it happened to him, where he was more destined to win than not, part of me would have been very relived thinking he had lost to a player I don't care about one way or another. But most importantly, it wouldn't hurt him or damage him.

Emma · « **Reply #86 on:** April 18, 2014, 10:46:05 am »

Another thing is that, since Nadal's comeback last year, he's won a lot and most important matches; whereas, Nole has seen some really big and bad losses and that made him think that he had much to improve. So since then both of these players have gone in two separate directions. That's how the mind works after all. But now that he has taken a few losses and the AO final being the biggest one since then, it's time for him to turn his mind around into winning mode again. But while he's still No. 1, and a record to chase, it's a tough deal altogether and the fact that, he might be slightly jaded, makes it even harder. But to be fair, all the other players are on the same boat (especially Nole) as they are all playing week in week out as well.

This actually makes me appreciate Sampras so much more when I look back and see how jaded he was after 1999. He won only 2 Slams after that where he used to win 2 Slams each year when he was in peak form. But that 6 years straight at No. 1 was the hardest thing he had to do and it took a lot out of him. And the early competition in his time, where he had to deal with all the legends of all time, made it even tougher since his domination peaked in 1993. But after 1995, he still had to deal with the likes of Rafter, Agassi, Kafelnikov, Muster, Guga, Moya, Corretja, Krajicek, Ivanisevic, Henman and countless others. And then later in his years, he had to deal with Roddick, Safin, Hewitt, Federer etc. It was never easy for him. Lots of respect for this living legend Pistol Pete. Without a doubt that he's the toughest out there to date.

Emma · « **Reply #87 on:** April 18, 2014, 12:58:14 pm »

Quote from: thetruth on April 18, 2014, 09:30:12 am

Quote from: Emma on April 18, 2014, 08:57:48 am
Yesterday, I thought Stan would want to avoid meeting with Nadal if he's not ready though one must admit that, there's no shame in losing to Nadal on clay, but now I am thinking if Nadal lost deliberately today to avoid meeting with Stan in the next match. I mean the way Stan dismissed Cilic in the round before may have raised a few eye brows and he dismissed Raonic this morning too in straight as well, so clearly Stan seems to be ready given that that was the first match. And losing to Stan again this time on clay and there's always the chance of that, would really damage Nadal's confidence to no end.

I think these are good points, Emma. I'm inclined to agree. Knowing that his game isn't where it's supposed to be, taking a loss to Ferrer is ideal.

Even in the first rounds, although he won comfortably, he still didn't look like a man on a mission. He looked in both prior matches like he was trying to go on and off the court.

Dominating Seppi one minute and then going on a walkabout when he was so close to closing it out.

He's been doing too many unnecessary things off court, during this most crucial time.

What are those things? I am not actually aware but I did see him boating on the ATP side. I would have thought those would relax him, no? And take his mind off serious things? I think he really needs to be serious when he is on court and off court, he should try and relax as much as possible.

Emma · « **Reply #88 on:** April 18, 2014, 12:59:59 pm »

Some serious grueling rallies in this game but Nole finally holds his serve. 4-0 Nole.

Emma · « **Reply #89 on:** April 18, 2014, 01:02:15 pm »

Quote from: thetruth on April 18, 2014, 09:16:32 am

Quote from: Emma on April 18, 2014, 08:40:03 am
Quote from: thetruth on April 17, 2014, 08:32:29 pm

Possibly. I just hate when he goes out that way. He's so much fun to watch.

Nole is on fire. Will Roger be able to stop him? I don't know. I wasn't really watching his match so I don't know what happened. I saw that Rosol was up a break and then he was down a set. Looked like he phoned it in that third set, so...

It's hard to say. I'd say it's 50-50. Federer likes playing Nole.

Hi TT, there was no 3rd set in that match. Federer took Rosol out in straight...unless you meant the 2nd set then yes, he might have done so since he couldn't win more than 1 game.

Hey Emma,

Another psychotic post from me, I can see how you read it that way. I was actually talking about the Fognini match when I was referencing the third set.

The Fed-Rosol match I didn't watch. Just fast forwarded through. I did see that he only won one game though.

Oh I do that sometime! I say or think one thing and in the next sentence, I take complete 180 turn and say or think something totally different and so on..and it continues for a while. haha

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