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Career matches
Played #
1. Jimmy Connors 1532
2. Ivan Lendl 1310
3. Guillermo Vilas 1215
4. Roger Federer 1148*
5. Andre Agassi 1144
6. Ilie Năstase 1083
7. John McEnroe 1073
8. Stefan Edberg 1071
9. Brian Gottfried 1002
10. Pete Sampras 984

*Still active

Match wins #
1. Jimmy Connors 1253
2. Ivan Lendl 1071
3. Roger Federer 931*
4. Guillermo Vilas 929
5. John McEnroe 875
6. Andre Agassi 870
7. Stefan Edberg 801
8. Ilie Năstase 779
9. Pete Sampras 762
10. Boris Becker 713

*still active

Titles per court type
Hard #
1. Roger Federer 52*
2. Jimmy Connors 48
3. Andre Agassi 46
4. Pete Sampras 36
5. Ivan Lendl 31
6. Novak Djokovic 28*
7. Stefan Edberg 23
8. John McEnroe 22
        Andy Murray 22*
10. Michael Chang 21
        Andy Roddick

*still active

Clay #
1. Guillermo Vilas 46
2. Rafael Nadal 42*
3. Thomas Muster 40
4. Manuel Orantes 30
        Björn Borg
6. Ilie Năstase 28
        Ivan Lendl
8. José Luis Clerc 21
9. Mats Wilander 20
10. Andrés Gómez 16
        Carlos Moyá

*still active

Grass #
1. Roger Federer 13*
2. Jimmy Connors 10
        Pete Sampras
3. Ken Rosewall 9
4. John McEnroe 8
5.  Stan Smith 7
        Boris Becker
        Lleyton Hewitt*
6. Rod Laver 6
        Björn Borg
        Vijay Amritraj
        Mark Edmondson
        Alex Metreveli

*still active

Carpet #
1. John McEnroe 43
2. Jimmy Connors 39
3. Ivan Lendl 33
4. Boris Becker 26
5. Rod Laver 22
        Björn Borg
7. Arthur Ashe 18
8. Pete Sampras 15
9. Goran Ivanišević 14
10. Stan Smith 11
        Stefan Edberg
        Yevgeny Kafelnikov

Outdoor #
1. Rafael Nadal 59*
2. Roger Federer 57*
3. Guillermo Vilas 56
4. Jimmy Connors 55
5. Ivan Lendl 52
6. Andre Agassi 48
7. Thomas Muster 43
8. Pete Sampras 41
9. Björn Borg 40
10. Ilie Năstase 34

*still active

Indoor #
1. Jimmy Connors 54
2. John McEnroe 52
3. Ivan Lendl 42
4. Boris Becker 30
5. Björn Borg 23
        Pete Sampras
7. Rod Laver 22
        Ilie Năstase
9. Arthur Ashe 21
10. Roger Federer 20*

*still active

Career match wins per court type
Hard #
1. Andre Agassi 598
2. Roger Federer 564*
3. Jimmy Connors 532
4. Pete Sampras 427
5. Andy Roddick 426
6. Michael Chang 408
7. Ivan Lendl 394
8. Stefan Edberg 387
9. Lleyton Hewitt 360*
10. Novak Djokovic 350*

*still active

Clay #
1. Guillermo Vilas 634
2. Manuel Orantes 494
3. Thomas Muster 422
4. José Higueras 375
5. Eddie Dibbs 361
6. Carlos Moyá 337
7. Ivan Lendl 329
8. Andrés Gómez 322
9. José Luis Clerc 301
10. Emilio Sánchez 298

Grass #
1. Jimmy Connors 169
2. Roger Federer 122*
3. Lleyton Hewitt 120*
4. John McEnroe 119
5. John Newcombe 117
6. Boris Becker 116
7. Roscoe Tanner 113
8. Wally Masur 112
9. Ken Rosewall 108
        Tony Roche
        Phil Dent

*still active

Carpet #
1. John McEnroe 346
2. Jimmy Connors 339
3. Ivan Lendl 267
4. Boris Becker 258
5. Arthur Ashe 221
6. Goran Ivanišević 187
7. Brian Gottfried 183
8. Stefan Edberg 182
9. Björn Borg 180
10. Vitas Gerulaitis 166

Career match winning % per court type
Hard %  W–L
1. Jimmy Connors 82.61 532–112
2. Ivan Lendl 82.60 394–83
3. Rod Laver 82.50 146-31
4. Novak Djokovic 82.35 350–75*
5. Roger Federer 82.34 564–121*
6. John McEnroe 81.11 292–68
7. Pete Sampras 80.41 427–104
8. Andre Agassi 79.00 598–159
9. Stefan Edberg 78.82 387–104
10. Rafael Nadal 78.13 318–89*

* still active

Clay %  W–L
1. Rafael Nadal 93.31 293–21*
2. Björn Borg 86.58 271–42
3. Ivan Lendl 81.44 329–75
4. Guillermo Vilas 79.65 634–162
5. Ken Rosewall 79.30 96-25
6. Jimmy Connors 78.87 197–56
7. Ilie Năstase 77.48 320–93
8. Novak Djokovic 77.38 130-38
9. Jose Luis Clerc 77.38 301–88
10. Rod Laver 77.30 85-25

*still active

Grass %  W–L
1. Roger Federer 87.14 122–18*
2. John McEnroe 85.61 119–20
3. Rod Laver 84.03 79–15
4. Andy Murray 83.90 73–14*
5. Björn Borg 83.56 61–12
6. Pete Sampras 83.47 101–20
7. Jimmy Connors 83.25 169–34
8. Boris Becker 82.27 116–25
9. John Newcombe 79.90 167-42
10. Rafael Nadal 79.37 50–13*

*still active

Carpet %  W–L
1. John McEnroe 84.39 346–64
2. Björn Borg 82.95 180–37
3. Ivan Lendl 82.66 267–56
4. Jimmy Connors 81.69 339–76
5. Boris Becker 80.12 258–64
6. Arthur Ashe 79.21 221–58
7. Rod Laver 76.60 128–39
=. Pete Sampras 76.60 144–44
9. Yevgeny Kafelnikov 73.66 165–59
10. Goran Ivanišević 71.37 187–75



Respectfully,
masterclass

Looks like Rafa will keep the career clay winning percentage for a long time.  93%, if that's not domination over his competition, nothing is.  Borg is next just under 86%, and Lendl drops down to just over 81%. 

I don't think there is much doubt that Rafa will pass Vilas in the Career Clay Title count.  He trails him by 4, 46-42.  It's only a question of when.  It could possibly happen this year.   But Vilas has one Clay record that I think is safe, 634 career clay match wins.  Nadal has about 293 or so.

Roger is just over 87% on grass, also very high and leads in titles won, but will not catch the great Jimmy Connors in matches won on the turf. McEnroe next at a little under 86%.  There are a group of 4 stalwarts in the 83rd percentile headed by Murray, Borg, Sampras, and Connors.  Heady company indeed.

The interesting one for me though is hard court winning percentage for the career.

There are 5 players with 82 and a fraction percent all separated by less the 3 tenths of a percent.
82.61 Connors
82.60 Lendl
82.50 Laver
82.35 Djokovic
82.34 Federer

I would expect Federer's percentage to dip somewhat as he ages.  Of course the same would apply to any active player that continues to play after their prime years.  But he probably still has a good couple of years before his percentage will get much worse. 

But just to show how close it is, if current 5th place Federer were to win Dubai and Indian Wells back to back, as he did year before last, that would be 11-0 and he would be 575-121 and at 82.615 %, which would put him just ahead of current 1st place Connors who is at 82.609 %.  By the same token, he has played so many matches it is difficult for him to move the percentage a lot.  Even if he finished his career at a 75% clip for a 100 matches or so, equivalent to averaging losing in the 4th round of every tournament, he would still end up higher than McEnroe who is in 6th place.

Respectfully,
masterclass

lady TT the press and the media have been known to read some of the posts that we (general masterclass and myself) used to make at MTF.


general masterclass is a bit of a pioneer in deep and profound tennis thinking and tennis wisdom.

people want to know what he has to say.


this is one of the reason "Masterclass Fireside" exists at Camelot.

Quote from: masterclass on February 19, 2014, 04:07:59 pm

Quote from: thetruth on February 19, 2014, 12:25:41 pm

Quote from: masterclass on February 19, 2014, 08:52:23 am

Looks like Rafa will keep the career clay winning percentage for a long time.  93%, if that's not domination over his competition, nothing is.  Borg is next just under 86%, and Lendl drops down to just over 81%. 

I don't think there is much doubt that Rafa will pass Vilas in the Career Clay Title count.  He trails him by 4, 46-42.  It's only a question of when.  It could possibly happen this year.   But Vilas has one Clay record that I think is safe, 634 career clay match wins.  Nadal has about 293 or so.

Roger is just over 87% on grass, also very high and leads in titles won, but will not catch the great Jimmy Connors in matches won on the turf. McEnroe next at a little under 86%.  There are a group of 4 stalwarts in the 83rd percentile headed by Murray, Borg, Sampras, and Connors.  Heady company indeed.

The interesting one for me though is hard court winning percentage for the career.

There are 5 players with 82 and a fraction percent all separated by less the 3 tenths of a percent.
82.61 Connors
82.60 Lendl
82.50 Laver
82.35 Djokovic
82.34 Federer

I would expect Federer's percentage to dip somewhat as he ages.  Of course the same would apply to any active player that continues to play after their prime years.  But he probably still has a good couple of years before his percentage will get much worse. 

But just to show how close it is, if current 5th place Federer were to win Dubai and Indian Wells back to back, as he did year before last, that would be 11-0 and he would be 575-121 and at 82.615 %, which would put him just ahead of current 1st place Connors who is at 82.609 %.  By the same token, he has played so many matches it is difficult for him to move the percentage a lot.  Even if he finished his career at a 75% clip for a 100 matches or so, equivalent to averaging losing in the 4th round of every tournament, he would still end up higher than McEnroe who is in 6th place.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Great stuff, General (ha ha ha),

If I was a tennis player I don't think I would pay any attention to the numbers and percentages, unless I was checking them to find some improvement. But, as far as highest, most, best, etc. I would ignore that part. Less pressure. I would still want to enjoy my tennis, and I don't think I would enjoy it as much if I was constantly keeping score.

Lady TT,  I completely agree with you, when one is a younger or less accomplished player.   Then one would think about winning their first tournament, or first masters, or slam, or dreaming of being in the top 10 or #1.    But everyone is different and one can't predict how they'll react to success.   But I think every player that has longevity and many accomplishments,  that has a sense of history does indeed look at those records.  For many, it helps their motivation, once they have already achieved much.  For others, it might give themselves a sense of where they belong and might end up in history.

Of course, while playing in a match, one probably does not think of those things unless they are about to set or tie a record.  I can guarantee you that Federer was thinking about majors #14 and #15, especially once he reached the final.  And don't think that Nadal wasn't thinking of getting #14 to tie him with Pete  at the last AO.  Pressure, sure, but there are many that thrive on pressure.  Not everyone succumbs.  But as they play each match?  Probably not.  They are trying to focus on each match.  But before a tournament, or before the final, certainly.  Or when assessing their goals for a season...   I would, but that's me.  But I like to have pressure on myself.  Without it, I often don't care as much.  Some players have a huge dream of winning Wimbledon.  Or any slam.  Once they've achieved that, some feel so fulfilled, they never win another.  They just can't get motivated enough to want to do more.  Others see it as just the beginning and want to achieve even more.  I suppose it depends on one's personality and ambition.

Federer knows the records that are out there.  Ask General Hercules about the video where Federer talked about getting 100 titles and other records.  How else do players that have done so much keep themselves motivated?  They look at the record books, they set short term and long term goals.  Does Rafa think about getting 2 of each major for his career?  I would think he does.  Does he care about getting the most titles on clay to surpass Vilas? Probably to a degree in terms of lifetime goals.  But he probably won't focus on it until reminded of it when he is ready to tie or break the record.  Does Roger think about getting an all time record 8th Wimbledon title?  You bet.  Or breaking the 3 way tie between himself,  Connors and Sampras for most US Opens?  Does he think about having the highest match winning percentage on a surface?  Probably not that much, but it's probably something he recognizes.  Some of these stats are clearly for tennis aficionados.   Others become targets.  Vague awareness when further away, or more obvious when closing in.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Great post, as usual, along with wonderful insights.

It's hard to say what we would do in a given situation. Sometimes you have to actually be in it to know how you'll respond.

I love this statement as it is so fitting for me, in a way. I'm very laid back and don't often often summon up the energy to care, but when I do care I tend to go all out.

I thrive on pressure and without it, I can be a bump on a log.

I do my best work under pressure, if there's no pressure my thoughts aren't as lucid. I need pressure to perform, or want pressure, since it's the only way I'll get things accomplished.

I could work at a stress filled job with looming deadlines and thrive, but I can just as easily give it up and lay on the beach.

So, I guess for me, I would have to be in the situation to see which way the factors would sway me.

OTOH, I would be happy being in the top 100. I would make a decent living, not have the pressure, and be able to preserve my anonymity. Yeah, that's it. I'd be an underachiever sometimes and a comet at other times.

My tennis personality would most probably be like Richard Gasquet. Plenty of talent, but with other things as my priority.