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Re: Masterclass Fireside
« Reply #210 on: October 14, 2016, 12:44:34 pm »
Simon must have robbed a supermarket in Shanghai.

Stole just enough groceries to keep him going in his long match against Sock.

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« Reply #211 on: October 14, 2016, 11:48:57 pm »
Shame that Simon won that.  I like Simon but I really want to see Sock have some bigger success.  But a guy like Simon is a nightmare matchup for Sock.  Simon can expose a lot of Sock's weaknesses. 

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Re: Masterclass Fireside
« Reply #212 on: October 15, 2016, 10:23:29 am »
Simon does bring a fairly consistent ground game to the table general.

He is relatively solid off both wings. He also moves well.

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Re: Masterclass Fireside
« Reply #213 on: October 15, 2016, 02:46:52 pm »
More lip service from the clay warrior.

Now I have heard everything.

He says slower balls are needed.

Why don't you get out of your retirement and go work on your game and your fitness.

It just gets more and more ridiculous with each passing week.
 

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Re: Masterclass Fireside
« Reply #214 on: October 15, 2016, 07:11:23 pm »
Unbelievable General.  Next he'll say that the net needs to be higher so that he can return serves properly.

In other news,  we are in the process of seeing another great player fall, this time Novak Djokovic, even though he is still #1, he is not playing like it.

He hasn't been the same since winning his career slam at Roland Garros.  Same story. Lack of motivation, maybe some personal issues, a lot of total career matches played (about 900).   I posted awhile back that people shouldn't be asking if Novak can pass Roger.  They should be asking if he can pass Pete and Rafa.  I think it holds true more than ever.  I see maybe 1 or 2 slams at best.

He recently said he isn't interested in winning slams or worrying about the #1 ranking anymore.  Does that remind you of someone General?

A couple of days ago, Novak almost lost to #110, the older M. Zverev, and just lost to the first fairly good player he faced, #19 Bautista-Agut in straight sets.

Murray is on course to win in Shanghai; he faces Agut in the final.

Andy will be only 915 points behind Novak in the race to london if he does.
Even if Murray doesn't get year end #1, he'll probably be #1 sometime in the early part of 2017 as Novak defends over 4200 points through Miami and Murray less than 1500.

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Re: Masterclass Fireside
« Reply #215 on: October 15, 2016, 08:25:36 pm »
wow.


that is indeed shocking for the tennis world.

we do know that Djokovic is the first player in history to surpass $100 million in on court prize money alone.

perhaps there are some complacency issues.


one we do know for certain and we spotted that trend years ago: Rafa does not care to win..

we got attacked by all the rabid tennis fans when we pointed that out.

well now they know.

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« Reply #216 on: October 16, 2016, 04:03:27 am »
More lip service from the clay warrior.

Now I have heard everything.

He says slower balls are needed.

Why don't you get out of your retirement and go work on your game and your fitness.

It just gets more and more ridiculous with each passing week.

Objective fans can see this is ridiculous lip service and more excuses for his lack of fitness and decline. 
The blind adoring irrational fans will believe every word from him and his camp General.

It is one of the most preposterous proposals I have heard from Team Nadal. And their reasoning is even more ludicrous.

If anyone at a site like MTF suggested it, I would normally say it is trolling of the highest order, but in team Nadal's case it is just more excuses for Rafa's decline and lack of fitness/effort to improve.

It is right up there with the idea of raising the net so that serves can't go in so fast so that players having trouble with returns don't have to be like football goal keepers facing a penalty shot. 

It's more of the same "Pim Pam Pum" Uncle Toni drivel. 

The real problem is that his return game has declined.  His movement, footwork, and reflexes have declined.  He is getting wrong footed because his game style has always been prone to that, but he can't play his retriever defense now because he doesn't move as well and isn't as fit as he once was. 

Over the last 15 years the game has played slower than ever.  There are no true fast conditions (Court Pace Rating > 45) remaining, and there are very few medium-fast (CPR 40-44) conditions left, though there have been some recent attempts to speed up conditions at some venues in Australia.  The top players are so used to playing on clay and slow and slow-medium hard courts that a medium-fast court like Cincinnati seems fast to them. The balls used for men at Wimbledon are as big and heavy than ever. Shanghai is also a medium-fast court, but they also use slower balls to compensate.  There is no fast carpet. 

Rafa needed to stop complaining and get more fit if anything.  He is a shadow of himself.  Anyway, it is likely too late for him.  He has played too many matches and has lost speed and power.  He can no longer camp in his backhand corner running around his backhand and still get to balls wide on his forehand side without spraying them everywhere.

Slower balls and courts are for amateurs with lesser talent and physical ability that need a lot of time to get to their shots and get them in the court. At a professional level, they make the game slower, extend rallies so that the error wins the point later, rather than a winner winning the point sooner.  This is what causes more injury.  Hitting behind players has always been a sound tactic against players that run their heads off to get to every ball like Murray, Nadal, Djokovic.  He simply wants to destroy the tactic, by making the game so slow that he and every other defensive player can get to every ball. 

If anything the conditions need to speed up and balls be lighter to reduce injuries.  Heavier balls cause more injuries. 

Here is an excerpt from a racquet science article talking about ITF ball changes just after the turn of the century:

 
  The Effect of Heavier, Larger, or Softer Balls

    To slow down the men's game, and thus hopefully to increase its entertainment value for the unsophisticated, the rulers of tennis want to change the balls.
 
    Particularly troubling is the lack of prior consultation with the pros who will be using these balls.  Which of them are in favor?  True, it is rare to find any touring pros who might be called formally educated, so naturally they must expect their opinions to be ignored and their objections overruled.  If they don't want to play, there are plenty of ambitious youngsters eager to take their place.  However, even though there might be no reason for courtesy or compassion, wouldn't it be economically prudent to prolong the careers of the marquee players, and not to increase the already alarming rate of injuries among the recreational players?

    The ITF has authorized a ball with a 15% greater diameter to be used "on an experimental basis."  The intention is that the bigger ball will meet more air resistance, therefore play will be slower.  Fluffing the nap (felt covering of the ball) will increase diameter and drag, but apparently the intention of the ITF is to require ball manufacturers to mold a larger rubber core.  See the diameter test for the "slow ball" in Appendix 1 to the Rules of Tennis -- fluffed nap will not keep the ball from falling through the bottom hole of the testing apparatus. 

    The larger diameter of the rubber core, even if the weight of rubber remains the same, will result in a higher rotational inertia for the ball.  That means a "heavy" ball because players will be able to impart a lot of angular momentum (spin).  Angular momentum is the product of the rotational inertia and the rotation speed, and the higher rotational inertia permits a much "heavier" ball at the same spin rate.  High angular momentum of the ball on impact will aggravate Torsion (screwdriver twist on the handle), causing more stress on the arm of the receiver.

    Another problem with bigger balls: they will radically change the game in the same way that the "spaghetti string" racquet did, by giving junkballers an edge.  The ITF banned (retroactively) the spaghetti strings which imparted such extreme spin.  The same reasoning should ban these balls.

    Yet another problem with bigger balls: if the same ball weight (57 grams) is to be maintained, the rubber of the bigger ball must be made thinner to stretch over the larger surface.  Thinner rubber means that the air will leak out easier, and higher air pressure will be needed to maintain the same ball bounce.   These balls will go flat faster.  They will also be less bouncy in actual pro-level play because of higher hysteresis loss from more air being compressed.   These will be soft balls.       

    Presently, for professional tournament play, a ball must bounce more than 53 inches and less than 58 inches when released from a height of 100 in.  That means that the coefficient of restitution for the ball itself (apart from the racquet) is between 0.73 and 0.76.  It should be noted that the 100 in. drop height does not approximate the speed of a pro serve, so for testing the hysteresis loss from the bigger ball this test would be inadequate.  Using softer balls, having a bounce at the low end of this range (low c), means higher Shock, Shoulder Pull, Work, Shoulder Crunch, Wrist Crunch, and Elbow Crunch for the players. 

    As you can see from the formulas, heavier balls (high b) means both higher resultant forces from impact (Torque and Impulse Reaction), and higher Shock, Shoulder Pull, Work, Shoulder Crunch, and Elbow Crunch.  With heavy balls, the game becomes more painful and less accurate.   See the formulas.

    Club players can take a lesson here, especially those who play on clay, where the balls get heavier as play goes on. Change balls often to protect your arm.  Tennis balls are a bargain, so leave them on the court.
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Rafa and his team are simply very desperate, and has to come up with something to explain away his lack of fitness, movement, and power. 

It is just more lip service and everyone can see through it.   

He wants to only have to work as hard to get to balls in singles as he does in doubles.

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Re: Masterclass Fireside
« Reply #217 on: October 16, 2016, 08:43:47 am »
More lip service from the clay warrior.

Now I have heard everything.

He says slower balls are needed.

Why don't you get out of your retirement and go work on your game and your fitness.

It just gets more and more ridiculous with each passing week.

Objective fans can see this is ridiculous lip service and more excuses for his lack of fitness and decline. 
The blind adoring irrational fans will believe every word from him and his camp General.

It is one of the most preposterous proposals I have heard from Team Nadal. And their reasoning is even more ludicrous.

If anyone at a site like MTF suggested it, I would normally say it is trolling of the highest order, but in team Nadal's case it is just more excuses for Rafa's decline and lack of fitness/effort to improve.

It is right up there with the idea of raising the net so that serves can't go in so fast so that players having trouble with returns don't have to be like football goal keepers facing a penalty shot. 

It's more of the same "Pim Pam Pum" Uncle Toni drivel. 

The real problem is that his return game has declined.  His movement, footwork, and reflexes have declined.  He is getting wrong footed because his game style has always been prone to that, but he can't play his retriever defense now because he doesn't move as well and isn't as fit as he once was. 

Over the last 15 years the game has played slower than ever.  There are no true fast conditions (Court Pace Rating > 45) remaining, and there are very few medium-fast (CPR 40-44) conditions left, though there have been some recent attempts to speed up conditions at some venues in Australia.  The top players are so used to playing on clay and slow and slow-medium hard courts that a medium-fast court like Cincinnati seems fast to them. The balls used for men at Wimbledon are as big and heavy than ever. Shanghai is also a medium-fast court, but they also use slower balls to compensate.  There is no fast carpet. 

Rafa needed to stop complaining and get more fit if anything.  He is a shadow of himself.  Anyway, it is likely too late for him.  He has played too many matches and has lost speed and power.  He can no longer camp in his backhand corner running around his backhand and still get to balls wide on his forehand side without spraying them everywhere.

Slower balls and courts are for amateurs with lesser talent and physical ability that need a lot of time to get to their shots and get them in the court. At a professional level, they make the game slower, extend rallies so that the error wins the point later, rather than a winner winning the point sooner.  This is what causes more injury.  Hitting behind players has always been a sound tactic against players that run their heads off to get to every ball like Murray, Nadal, Djokovic.  He simply wants to destroy the tactic, by making the game so slow that he and every other defensive player can get to every ball. 

If anything the conditions need to speed up and balls be lighter to reduce injuries.  Heavier balls cause more injuries. 

Here is an excerpt from a racquet science article talking about ITF ball changes just after the turn of the century:

 
  The Effect of Heavier, Larger, or Softer Balls

    To slow down the men's game, and thus hopefully to increase its entertainment value for the unsophisticated, the rulers of tennis want to change the balls.
 
    Particularly troubling is the lack of prior consultation with the pros who will be using these balls.  Which of them are in favor?  True, it is rare to find any touring pros who might be called formally educated, so naturally they must expect their opinions to be ignored and their objections overruled.  If they don't want to play, there are plenty of ambitious youngsters eager to take their place.  However, even though there might be no reason for courtesy or compassion, wouldn't it be economically prudent to prolong the careers of the marquee players, and not to increase the already alarming rate of injuries among the recreational players?

    The ITF has authorized a ball with a 15% greater diameter to be used "on an experimental basis."  The intention is that the bigger ball will meet more air resistance, therefore play will be slower.  Fluffing the nap (felt covering of the ball) will increase diameter and drag, but apparently the intention of the ITF is to require ball manufacturers to mold a larger rubber core.  See the diameter test for the "slow ball" in Appendix 1 to the Rules of Tennis -- fluffed nap will not keep the ball from falling through the bottom hole of the testing apparatus. 

    The larger diameter of the rubber core, even if the weight of rubber remains the same, will result in a higher rotational inertia for the ball.  That means a "heavy" ball because players will be able to impart a lot of angular momentum (spin).  Angular momentum is the product of the rotational inertia and the rotation speed, and the higher rotational inertia permits a much "heavier" ball at the same spin rate.  High angular momentum of the ball on impact will aggravate Torsion (screwdriver twist on the handle), causing more stress on the arm of the receiver.

    Another problem with bigger balls: they will radically change the game in the same way that the "spaghetti string" racquet did, by giving junkballers an edge.  The ITF banned (retroactively) the spaghetti strings which imparted such extreme spin.  The same reasoning should ban these balls.

    Yet another problem with bigger balls: if the same ball weight (57 grams) is to be maintained, the rubber of the bigger ball must be made thinner to stretch over the larger surface.  Thinner rubber means that the air will leak out easier, and higher air pressure will be needed to maintain the same ball bounce.   These balls will go flat faster.  They will also be less bouncy in actual pro-level play because of higher hysteresis loss from more air being compressed.   These will be soft balls.       

    Presently, for professional tournament play, a ball must bounce more than 53 inches and less than 58 inches when released from a height of 100 in.  That means that the coefficient of restitution for the ball itself (apart from the racquet) is between 0.73 and 0.76.  It should be noted that the 100 in. drop height does not approximate the speed of a pro serve, so for testing the hysteresis loss from the bigger ball this test would be inadequate.  Using softer balls, having a bounce at the low end of this range (low c), means higher Shock, Shoulder Pull, Work, Shoulder Crunch, Wrist Crunch, and Elbow Crunch for the players. 

    As you can see from the formulas, heavier balls (high b) means both higher resultant forces from impact (Torque and Impulse Reaction), and higher Shock, Shoulder Pull, Work, Shoulder Crunch, and Elbow Crunch.  With heavy balls, the game becomes more painful and less accurate.   See the formulas.

    Club players can take a lesson here, especially those who play on clay, where the balls get heavier as play goes on. Change balls often to protect your arm.  Tennis balls are a bargain, so leave them on the court.
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Rafa and his team are simply very desperate, and has to come up with something to explain away his lack of fitness, movement, and power. 

It is just more lip service and everyone can see through it.   

He wants to only have to work as hard to get to balls in singles as he does in doubles.

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great post. it gets more and more pathetic with each passing month.

the man just doesn't care to win but he and his team have to engage in this relentless and nonstop lip service to keep the fans and the sponsors at bay.

it is just for public consumption.


here is more lip service from his camp:

now uncle tony says that clay warrior can win RG in 2017.


this is just unbelievable. he has lost 3 of his last 5 matches and they are talking slams.


you must be present to win. if you don't give a damn about winning then you wont win. and if you don't show up then you damn sure don't have any chance of winning.


even the rinky dink events will soon be out of his reach.


it is clay or nothing general. he cant win there either but it has to start there.

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Re: Masterclass Fireside
« Reply #218 on: October 16, 2016, 09:40:33 am »
100% correct General, you can't say it any plainer than that.

I will correct/expound on something I said earlier about court speed and balls.   

Clay, of all the surfaces is meant to play slowly and should not be sped up. 

It is a true test of fitness, stamina, tactics, and will to win. 

It is the surface of the Gods of War. 

Rafa was not the King of Clay for no reason, but he has chosen to walk away from it.

If Rafa's fitness doesn't improve, Uncle Toni is deluding himself and others.
Nobody is winning at Roland Garros at 31 without being supremely fit unless the other players lay down and get stepped on.








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Re: Masterclass Fireside
« Reply #219 on: October 16, 2016, 10:21:30 am »
Great post and great images general.

Rafa has a chance at RG. It is a small chance.

If the top 100 players suddenly walk away from the sport and move to Indonesia to pursue badminton.

Even then it is a small chance.

The man just has no game and no fitness.

He brought about his own dramatic decline.

More later. I am out near the beach.

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« Reply #220 on: October 16, 2016, 11:18:15 am »
Right.  Time for some beach pics general.




Unusual highway bridge on the beach


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« Reply #221 on: October 16, 2016, 01:07:00 pm »
Great pics general.


I am very familiar with Pass Christian.


Very cool.

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Re: Masterclass Fireside
« Reply #222 on: October 16, 2016, 01:07:55 pm »
The great dunblane warrior is on rampage.

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Re: Masterclass Fireside
« Reply #223 on: October 17, 2016, 09:34:25 am »
I hear Roger is visiting Rafa's tennis academy on October 19th.

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