who would you consider to be the greatest boxer of all times regardless of weight class?
who are the candidates for this?
Well the better question might be who is the GOAT in each division. I tend to go with the more modern fighter. Lennox Lewis would have annihilated Ali/Clay prime vs prime. So Ali/Clay is not the greatest to me.
might as well make a boxing GOAT thread....
I agree with sword that you need to do it on a division by division basis, and probably best sticking with the original divisions. Ali and Ray Robinson are often lauded as the GOATs but it's almost an impossible task to consider one overall GOAT when covering the decades and all the different divisions.
I am in agreement also:
we need to go with 2-3 divisions for starters.
division by division is probably the best way to attack this.
is max baer the most feared boxer in history?
The one-time "killer" and future inspiration to Jews during WWII, Baer is possibly the most feared puncher ever to box professionally.
Baer's record stands at 72 wins, 53 by knockout, and 12 losses. Baer fought Frankie Campbell in 1930; Campbell died in the ring after two blows to the head from Baer. It was later revealed that the punches knocked Campbell's brain completely loose from the connective tissue holding it in place in his head. Baer was profoundly affected by this event.
The movie Cinderella Man, director Ron Howard, in one of the most despicable cases of artistic license ever, makes Baer look sadistic and his remorse for Campbell is not shown. In all fairness, the media at the time in the 30's played up Baer's image as a killer, and the film does show Baer accepting defeat graciously, smiling and clapping at Braddock's victory. It can also be argued that the depiction of Baer in the film was in keeping with his depiction in the press at the time, and the image of a destructive, savage boxer was often used by promoters to create interest in Baer's fights.
And, while the film's Max Baer in the movie never expresses remorse for the death of Campbell, neither does he actually boast about it. The real life Max Baer helped put Frankie Campbell's kids through college. Later, Baer became an actor. He was heavyweight champion from June 14th, 1934 until June 13th, 1935 (when he lost to Braddock). He died at the age of 50.
I just realized that he looked a little bit like Charles Bronson.
an idea just hit me general swordtennis:
we need a thread about boxing movies. there have been a lot of boxing movies made over the years.
your name should be on such a thread. go ahead and feel free to fire one up.
in the mean time I will look for some of these movies.
Max Baer.
This in the movie I did not understand and is new to me. He was the crowd of 30000 favorite in that Braddock fight. I have never heard one negative word about Max Baer.
Lets just say America is no angel and have demonized Germans and others
We then hired their scientists on during and after the war to fight the Russians. LMAO.
corporate scamMax was the prototype for the modern big men. These super heavyweights.
He had a huge right hand. Good jab. Was not slow like Primo Carnera.
Yep, Looks like Vitali is going to follow in Arnie's footsteps and hit the political arena. For all the problems in the Ukraine, I still can't fathom why the protesters are hellbent on the country signing up to the EU. It's hardly been a success. Most of the countries are broke it's ravaged by mass unemployment. Ukraine would be better off leaning toward the Russians.
Which other fighters tick your boxes Sword?
Outside of the Brit middles/super middles, I was a huge fan of Hagler and JC Chavez.
