CAMELOT FANTASIES

Quote from: Bobbi on November 02, 2015, 02:09:08 pm

Quote from: thetruth on November 02, 2015, 02:41:31 am

Quote from: Bobbi on November 02, 2015, 12:28:49 am

Let's hope so. She has fooled Kenya before. Remember the hug and forgiveness at that restaurant and the snub at Kandi's party immediately after that, that  threw Kenya for a loop?  Hopefully, she has learned never to trust her again.  Ever.
You're right. Kenya is clever. Of course she could have been faking that she was going to tweet her just so she could prove a point.  I'm hoping that was the case. Lol

Wait. How juicy is this? Nene's reply to Kenya:
@KenyaMoore Cut your **** out Kenya! I'm following you🔫🔫
1:11pm - 1 Nov 15

https://mobile.twitter.com/NeNeLeakes/status/660881821534724096




Hahaha. She is really trying hard isn't she?  This just keeps getting sweeter. I see she didn't deny blocking her, though.  Because she couldn't. Kenya put the proof up. Hahahahaha.

I can't believe that Kenya doesn't know who Nene is by now. Did you see this post by Queen Kenya's throne?

@NeNeLeakes Nene don't make @KenyaMoore out 2 b a liar! U blocked her, then unblocked & followed her after she called u out. F-U Bullwinkle!

I don't think Kenya was fooled by Nene at any time, nor was she hurt, IMO. She was simply playing the wounded victim to show the viewers exactly how Nene is. Kenya doesn't give a d*mn about Nene and she definitely doesn't want her friendship. Ever since I've been following Kenya on Twitter I have never seen her shout out to Nene, nor does she respond to a lot of the bull that Nene puts out on Twitter, so I can't see her suddenly wanting to communicate with her.

I think she knew exactly what Nene was up to with the surprise appearance. I'm sure she expected Nene to "play nice" and be fake. Kenya is friendly with Carlos, isn't she? She probably has a lot of the deets that have been supplied to the truth blogger. Kenya will play for the cameras, but she seems to be all about what she's doing. As soon as the season wraps Kenya's off traveling and you never see her hanging with Kandi, Phaedra, Porsha, or any of them, besides Cynthia. Who knows if she even likes Cynthia? But she knows that befriending Cynthia would irk Nene to no end.

I think Kenya is very shrewd. They couldn't keep up with Kenya if they tried (intellectually).

Lol, I saw that.  Hilarious.  I was going to giggle at some of the tweets where they were calling Nene out-I didn't see Twirl kingdom but, several others had done so at the time I posted. I wanted to hurry and get it up before you left the board so, I just posted the link so you could read them. Hahaha. That was so funny.
I hear you @ Kenya. You and I may differ in opinion on that front. I do think she cares. Not to be their friends per se but I do believe she cares.  Kenya was at the very least quite embarrassed by Nene's snub. You could tell she didn't expect it for sure. She was caught off guard. Kenya is strong and tough, but just as she stated the day she finally broke with this Apollo mess, it doesn't mean she doesn't care or hurt.
I do believe she strives for at the very least, good relationships with other women due in part to the one she does not have with her own mother.  She may seem as if she doesn't care one bit but, notice how easily forgiving she is. She has a good heart yes, but Kenya doesn't want to be at odds to that degree with those girls, especially Nene. She has accepted that this is their fate and handles it like a brilliant chess player but she is always apologizing and whenever she thinks the olive branch is being extended- even by Phaedra, she leaps for it.
What also leads
me to believe that Kenya sometimes thinks with her heart and not always her brain is in her relationships and decisions regarding men. Like James.
That stated, I think Kenya is part shrewd and part, a great rebounder. She thinks and lands on her feet. She hits the curve balls and gets home runs.  So, I definitely think Kenya was exposing Nene- I just wonder if she let her guard down on that vacation.  I hope not.
I just think Kenya really had no reason to prove Nene was being phony towards her as their weren't any stories out there about Nene being especially friendly to Kenya. The stories of mended friendships were about Nene and Cynthia. So, why go on her timeline?  Most people would assume already she is blocked and unfollowed.  We only have a photo. We have Nene's number and figured she kissed up to all the girls but, we came to that conclusion because we're good. Hahaha. The rest of these folks haven't gotten that far yet. Most of them will need someone to tell them.

I hear you @ Kenya. You and I may differ in opinion on that front. I do think she cares. Not to be their friends per se but I do believe she cares.  Kenya was at the very least quite embarrassed by Nene's snub. You could tell she didn't expect it for sure. She was caught off guard. Kenya is strong and tough, but just as she stated the day she finally broke with this Apollo mess, it doesn't mean she doesn't care or hurt.

Interesting and great points, but I’m still on the fence. For one thing, I can’t say what I think about how Kenya may really feel because how do you delineate between what is real and what is done for the camera? How I act, react, and behave in my personal life is one thing, but if I was on TV would I bare my soul to the masses? I don’t think I would. The difference between Kenya and the others is that the others are basic, what you see is what you get. They’re unenlightened and comfortable with their circumstances, but Kenya is more of an enigma. How she is able to handle these toxic women suggests to me that she’s used to dealing with insecure and jealous women.

Everyone hurts and cares to some extent, but the question is to what degree? That situation with Apollo was treacherous and surely she had to carry the pain of an outrageous lie for almost two years, so of course the feeling of relief is to be expected. But, if you cared so much I think everything they go through would be harder to deal with, you have to disassociate from people sometimes who are in your midst, or you would go crazy.

I do believe she strives for at the very least, good relationships with other women due in part to the one she does not have with her own mother.  She may seem as if she doesn't care one bit but, notice how easily forgiving she is. She has a good heart yes, but Kenya doesn't want to be at odds to that degree with those girls, especially Nene. She has accepted that this is their fate and handles it like a brilliant chess player but she is always apologizing and whenever she thinks the olive branch is being extended- even by Phaedra, she leaps for it.

I don’t know, she has a great relationship with her aunt and she often posts pics on Twitter with many of her long time girlfriends. I can’t see her caring about temporary people in her life who exhibit such low standards. I think the quality of her relationships far override the antics of these women. Look at the difference between her and Claudia. Claudia was losing it after one season; going off and being very angry about these women. She could’ve never endured what Kenya has had to put up with.

To me, that’s exactly why Kenya is so forgiving, because she doesn’t care to that extent. I find it easier to forgive those I don’t love, than those that I do. What do you care about people who are simply in your life for a season? You usually forgive them and move on, but an intimate connection is far more difficult to maneuver.
 
What also leads me to believe that Kenya sometimes thinks with her heart and not always her brain is in her relationships and decisions regarding men. Like James.

I’m not sure about that either because Tamara has stated that Kenya has been in a relationship since she’s been on the show, and Kenya herself has also stated that. I think the single and looking is just part of a storyline. I don’t think Kenya would ever have her real relationship on that toxic show and open up even more worms within an intimate relationship. I know I wouldn’t and I wouldn’t care what people thought.

That stated, I think Kenya is part shrewd and part, a great rebounder. She thinks and lands on her feet. She hits the curve balls and gets home runs.  So, I definitely think Kenya was exposing Nene- I just wonder if she let her guard down on that vacation.  I hope not.

I don’t think so, even if she plays that part on TV. I read a blog that she wrote once and it was masterful in its understanding of Nene and her psyche. Kenya knows who Nene is and what to expect from her. I think that’s why Nene has such a problem with Kenya; the others don’t seem capable of understanding Nene’s character (outside of Kandi), but Nene knows that Kenya knows her inside and out.

I just think Kenya really had no reason to prove Nene was being phony towards her as their weren't any stories out there about Nene being especially friendly to Kenya. The stories of mended friendships were about Nene and Cynthia. So, why go on her timeline?  Most people would assume already she is blocked and unfollowed.  We only have a photo. We have Nene's number and figured she kissed up to all the girls but, we came to that conclusion because we're good. Hahaha. The rest of these folks haven't gotten that far yet. Most of them will need someone to tell them.

Oh, I do, because Nene showing up and hugging her proved that her actions were all an act. Remember the kind of people we’re dealing with; what do you think they will say when they see them getting along on TV? Nene came to Jamaica being nice and offering an olive branch. It makes sense to me for Kenya to set the record straight and show that it was just an act, as usual. And even Nene understood that, which is why she reposted to Kenya pretending like the blocking was a joke and there were no hard feelings, because she was busted. I don’t think Kenya being hurt had anything to do with it. In essence she made Nene eat crow, again. It is also logical that Kenya would’ve sent a nice tweet because she knew exactly what Nene’s response would be. It reminds me of the time when Nene lied and said that Kenya never said anything to her about the charity event and Kenya straight busted her by producing the email and the knowledge that it had been opened.

Also, Nene's fans will not have the luxury of believing that Nene was extending that olive branch now, will they? Kenya just took that away.

Who knows? It could go either way, but these are my thoughts.

All, great points on your end as well.  I love these types of discussions about human sociology and psychology! I love trying to figure out how people tick. I think it is why too, we are both so interested in personality tests.

I definitely think Kenya does a lot of acting. I agree @ the Apollo/Kenya situation too.  Thinking of that situation though, if those tears were real, you could gauge others by it.  You could gauge her reaction to Phaedra in Manilla when they "reconciled" their differences as well. I believe Kenya's tears were real then too and at the very least, Phaedra worked off of Kenya's emotions to get to her own. Kenya's responses to questions concerning that reconciliation were always very serious.

I've had periods in my life growing up and a more recent example of the situation with a former boss where I felt I experienced a bit of what Kenya goes through. I'll use these experiences as a gauge of sorts as well. I didn't give a chit about my boss personally.....unlike Kenya whose nemesis' were women with similar backgrounds and interest with whom she has shared some intimate thoughts and life moments, it was easier for me to disassociate myself.... STILL, it mattered how she affected my day at work and it mattered greatly what it looked like because, I knew the image of me that she was trying to fabricate was not my MO.  With those peers growing up it effected me more....  because they WERE my peers with whom I  had shared some important moments even if not friends so, it was a great portion of what made up the activities of my daily life. Thank goodness for strong family unit. 
So, I think about Kenya where this is magnified x1000. As if all of this BS happening before all of her loved ones as well as the rest of the world isn't bad enough, it is all consuming for the time they are filming and airing because she has to relive it as well as deal with more backlash. It is not as simple as a friend with whom she can shut down and not meet for brunch or not answer calls when it becomes too much or like a boss you step away from at the end of the day. The media and/or the other person is always discussing you and you are either living it or RE-living as well as addressing it with other sometimes very judgmental people. The implications and results of those encounters on the show extend to her professional AND personal life.  It's not just a season - this is all year aside from maybe a month.   In this case I  can imagine you pretty much kind of soldier through something like that if you're strong - like an illness.  It is all you can do but, if Kenya didn't care, we wouldn't see and hear her many messages of inspiration and self empowerment on her timeline -more than any other housewife or person I know.  These messages are for herself and I'm sure she looks for and reads much more of this stuff than she posts. I believe she cares and it effects her for sure.  Remember, Kenya is acting for the most part but, the hate targeted at her is very real. They want to hurt her for real. You can't be human, especially one with a good heart and not be effected greatly by that. It is why she has to leave and regroup, re-energize and purge herself at the end of the season of this mess or she would lose it. Even her scenes with her Aunt Lori are always about how to handle the girls and getting reinforcement.  She would prefer to get along with those ladies, imo.  I think her great relationships outside of TV that we always point out, underscore that. Unlike a Nene who doesn't care, as her relationships with those in her real life are either totally controlled by her or in tatters. Kenya cares about others and the relationship, even if platonic- Nene cares about herself.  Disclaimer, lol - Porsha is not on Kenya's radar  because she is a simpleton....the rest, especially Nene, Kandi and Cynthia- she cares/d.

When Kenya was asked about Nene in interviews - for the longest time she repeatedly said, "I love Nene, she just doesn't love me, I don't  understand why." She would chuckle about it sometimes but, there was no flippant eye roll, signature wicked laugh, no shade thrown behind it and Nene has been the ONLY woman she has ever said this about-even while she was being mistreated by her.  For a long time Kenya was only on the defense with Nene (blocking the blows) because she always hoped they would come to better terms. She came to her senses totally after Marlo still, I believe she would jump at the chance to be on better terms with Nene even now.  I believe her when she says she feel they share a bond over their feelings of abandonment.    I also believe her in the same speech when she explained that she never meant to come for her spot.  Even then she was appealing to her.   I see Kenya's chess plays as ones made out of necessity.  She has wicked humor but she doesn't want to be the girls enemy. She is capable of standing alone but, she doesn't want to. 
I totally get what she means by her declaration of being a girls, girl. It's not just about being supportive of other women. Unlike some woman, who claim to be mistreated by other women and so prefer the company of other men, Kenya loves being in the company of beautiful, but more importantly, empowered women who are running things, laughing and having a good time. That is when she is in her element. It is the first connection she thought she had in common with Nene.  It is why all of their mistreatment of her angers me so.
 Where Kenya runs into trouble is that her confidence borders on cocky. There's nothing wrong with that, because If you're confident women - a woman like that gets a high five from you. But, if your self esteem is low she's going to put a few more dents in it.  It was one thing for them to THINK she was beautiful when she came on the scene as long as no one put it "out there."   They could almost deal with that - they were more concerned about snagging her on their teams initially but, now she's owning it.....highlighting it - have the nerve to speak on it and put it out in the universe and she's smart too?  This, forces women with low self esteem to acknowledge they don't measure up every single time they see her or hear her name. To her credit Kenya is very affirming of other women but, it is why they all have problems with her.  Kenya does not dim her light to make them feel better.

I agree with you in general about forgiveness but, imo, it's also about the extent of the injury inflicted that determines how much it matters to you not just the relationship you have with the offender. Someone in your circle- personal or professional maligning your reputation is pretty huge. Someone actively working at getting you fired is pretty huge. Especially, when it is shoved in your face 24/7.
Those people who tried to make my life miserable because of their insecurities didn't mean anything to me still, because of what they did - it took a lot to forgive them. Some, I am still working on.

"Also, Nene's fans will not have the luxury of believing that Nene was extending that olive branch now, will they? Kenya just took that away."
I totally agree with this. I totally believe it is why she posted it.
In my original comment I stated both reasons but, as I thought about it I thought it may be some combination of both.
 
Also, I do agree that Claudia is not as strong as Kenya. Claudia was crying by her 4th episode. Lol, It took Kenya 3 seasons to break even a little bit.  That stated, I do believe they both can be gullible to a point.
Think about it....Kenya and Claudia totally fell for Nene's act at the reunion and came back after the taping ecstatic about Nene's "breakthrough" and we called that bullchit before we even saw it. Lol.

I could talk about this stuff forever. I agree with everything else you stated too, overall -  I'm just glad she put Nene's @ss on blast!