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Clay Death · « **Reply #60 on:** September 05, 2013, 05:48:19 pm »

first semifinal appearance in 35 tries for spartan Stan.

I thought berdych was playing well. the spartan thrashed him in 4 sets.

and today this performance against Andy.

masterclass · « **Reply #61 on:** September 05, 2013, 06:39:40 pm »

General, I give Youzhny an excellent chance to beat Djokovic indoors or on faster courts, like Rotterdam or Marseilles.

If Arthur Ashe plays faster tonight then I've seen it so far, then Youzhny might have a chance in 3 or 4, but if not, then probably Djokovic in 3 or 4.

This is a slam, best of 5, and I'm not sure Youzhny has what it takes mentally to beat Djokovic over best of 5, as long as Djokovic can defend like he does. You have to be able to hit winners against Djokovic or force him into making errors to shake his confidence, and if the court is high bouncing or slow enough, than Djokovic gets to a lot of balls that would be winners on lower bouncing faster surfaces and frustrates many opponents, like Nadal with his defense.

Still, anything can happen. I've seen stranger things... like Federer beating himself like he did vs. Robredo the other night. That was bizarre. He was like Jekyll and Hyde. He played fairly well in many games to get to break point, then played awfully when it counted. He handed that match to Robredo. He played quite well in the 3 matches previously. So it was very strange for me, almost shocking, general.

If I didn't know better, I'd say Uncle Toni was sticking a dagger into a Roger Federer voodoo doll on every break point.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Emma · « **Reply #62 on:** September 05, 2013, 06:52:39 pm »

I am all for Youzhny/Richie or Youzhny/Wawa final. It would be so sweet if that were to happen.

britbox · « **Reply #63 on:** September 05, 2013, 08:30:19 pm »

I like Youhzny's game. Very easy on the eye. Gasquet's also - particularly that backhand. It must be one of the most beautiful shots in tennis. Having said that, I can't see much other than a Djoker/Rafa final.

Clay Death · « **Reply #64 on:** September 05, 2013, 08:42:54 pm »

I wonder why Spartan Stan`s backhand does not get as much attention as gasquet`s backhand does.

I think Spartan stan`s backhand is heavier and more lethal.

britbox · « **Reply #65 on:** September 05, 2013, 08:48:10 pm »

Stan's is more effective - he gets more purchase on it and it's more penetrating. Gasquet's is just aesthetically a beautiful stroke to watch.

Clay Death · « **Reply #66 on:** September 05, 2013, 08:56:37 pm »

that is a good way of putting it and articulating it.

I could not agree more.

Clay Death · « **Reply #67 on:** September 05, 2013, 09:08:29 pm »

can youzhny steal this set?

Clay Death · « **Reply #68 on:** September 05, 2013, 09:23:17 pm »

vamossssssssssssssssssss youzhny. now lets steal another set.

you can do this mate.

Clay Death · « **Reply #69 on:** September 05, 2013, 09:31:54 pm »

oh well. it was fun while it lasted.

youzhny is down 0-2 in the 4th set.

this is not going to work.

Clay Death · « **Reply #70 on:** September 05, 2013, 09:59:47 pm »

Quote from: masterclass on September 05, 2013, 04:49:21 pm

Hi all, good looking new forum
Thanks for the invite General Hercules.

Why, you may ask, did I think Stan would beat Andy in 3 sets?

1. Stan has always given Andy some trouble; he matches up pretty well with him.

2. Stan beat Andy in their last US Open match in 2010.

3. Stan demolished Andy at Monte Carlo this year. 1 & 2, though some may think this is irrelevant because it was on clay, it still showed me something.

4. I think Stan has been the better overall player on hard courts this year, despite Andy's win in Miami and early in Brisbane. Stan pushed Novak to the edge, losing a 5 set thriller at the Australian Open, and it was really anyone's match at the end.

5. It seemed to me that Wawrinka's level has gone up since last fall, while Murray's has gone down relatively speaking.

6. I have not seen the fire in Murray since he won Wimbledon, where he said that winning it would be the best thing he would ever achieve. I personally don't think that is a good attitude to have if you want to go on and achieve more. Maybe he'll get the fire back, maybe he won't.

7. Murray had 2 relatively poor matches in the lead up hard court events in Toronto and Cincinnati.
While he also didn't do so well last year in those events, and still won the US Open, last year he had a pretty good excuse. He had a tough Olympics, which he won. I think he needed the break that he got. This year, I think he needed to perform better in at least one of those masters, and he did not.

Wawrinka played a very intelligent match today against Murray. He really mixed it up. He played a fair amount of off-pace stuff, giving Murray some of his own medicine, then hit it hard from both wings. He tactically used the court well. He came to the net whenever he had a chance, even on some he shouldn't, but that looked part of the plan. All this mix caused Murray to not have a lot of rhythm.

Wawrinka served fairly well, but nothing spectacular. On return, he pretty much had Murray at his mercy whenever Murray sent in one of his pretty weak second serves. It was only a question of whether Wawrinka would keep the ball in play as he hammered the wounded duck.

Eventually, Murray started missing more and more of his first serves. Murray did not play that well off the ground, as it looked like Wawrinka's tactical mix threw him off. Only Andy's first serve kept him from having a worse 1st set score. Once Wawrinka started reading Murray's 1st serve better and Murray's first serve went off a bit, Murray didn't have much else on which to rely on, and Wawrinka pulled away to win in a not very close 3 sets.

The good news for Stan Wawrinka is that this effort should not have taken a great deal out of him, and he should be ready for his next match against Youzhny or Djokovic.

Congratulations to Spartan Stan Wawrinka and his fans. Commiserations to Andy Murray and his fans. Andy won Wimbledon; even the great Lendl could not win it.

Respectfully,
masterclass

excellent post general masterclass.

that sums it up nicely general.

still I expected andy to serve well and return even better. it would appear that he incurred heavy casualties on these 2 fronts.

he needed to take better care of his serve and he needed to dominate with his return game. especially today since stan was playing so well. Spartan had run over berdych in 4 the time previous.

he failed to keep enough pressure on Spartan Stan`s side of the net.

Spartan Stan simply grew stronger in confidence as a result of it.

Clay Death · « **Reply #71 on:** September 06, 2013, 09:08:28 am »

looks like nekro has huge problems.

don't know what the hell his deal is. he is not about making type of contribution at all.

all he wants is drama behind the scenes. I am sure he has bother the hell out of scott about the three of us---me, general masterclass, and general slasher.

and we happen to be about building things while he is all about needless conflict, drama, and friction.

I did talk to Diana about him a while back. I heard he has a huge drinking problem.

still cant figure out what betty sees in him. he has her duped, doped, and drugged on the damn internet.

anyway it was time to distance myself from him. he is the reason why the castle experiment did not work at tennis frontier.

I fell into my usual trap of trying to be too damn kind to too many people while also trying to stand up for what I thought was the right thing at the time.

I should have stepped back, kept quiet, and just relaxed.

Clay Death · « **Reply #72 on:** September 06, 2013, 09:22:25 am »

I am fired up about the semis tomorrow.

I am for spartan stan. he will fight like there is no tomorrow.

you can make book on that. and did I mention that he has brought heavy artillery?

masterclass · « **Reply #73 on:** September 06, 2013, 01:56:25 pm »

General Hercules, I think you were spot on about Andy Murray.

He has to especially improve his second serve. Rolling them in at an avg of 84 mph is WTA stuff. When he gets tight some of them just float in at 75, begging to be smacked. It is a real liability. There shouldn't be so much difference between his first serve, where he averages 118-120 and frequently hits close to 130, and his second serve. The poor second serve can be blasted back by almost anyone and either loses him the point right away or puts Murray on the defensive immediately. It also begins to put a lot of pressure on his first serve. Murray's first serve deteriorated noticeably after the first set. If he can improve the second serve, then his first serve's consistency will probably improve. He needs to up his second serve speed at least 10 mph on avg.

Murray usually has one of the better returns in the game, on first serve anyway. Almost everybody's average ace count drops when they face Murray.

Still, after his return, he seems sometimes to be a bit lost, and definitely on the defensive, which differs from Djokovic. Murray has to improve his second serve returns. He is susceptible to the kick serve.

Murray had 0, that's right zero break points against Wawrinka. It's difficult to win if you can't break. It's even more difficult if you never get a break point. Yes, Wawrinka protected his serve well, but Murray can and should do better.

If he wants to remain in the top echelon, he needs to quickly put that Wimbledon win on the shelf, set himself new challenges and move on. I look for a good indoor season for him if he does that.

The 1st item on my list for him - win the World Tour Finals in London this year. It's a worthy goal. Nearly all the top players in the Open Era have some year end championship trophies on their shelf. Here is the list of winners:

6 - Roger Federer
5 - Ivan Lendl, Pete Sampras
4 - Ilie Nastase
3 - John McEnroe, Boris Becker
2 - Bjorn Borg, Lleyton Hewitt, Novak Djokovic
1 - Stan Smith, Guillermo Vilas, Manuel Orantes, Jimmy Connors, Stefan Edberg, Andre Agassi, Michael Stich, Alex Corretja, Gustavo Kuerten, David Nalbandian, Nikolay Davydenko

Respectfully,
masterclass

Clay Death · « **Reply #74 on:** September 06, 2013, 02:43:54 pm »

one hell of a post there general masterclass.

I am not at home at the moment.

it is difficult to post properly with I phone.

we will talk about Andy and spartan Stan at length later when I get home.

Andy has some work to do general.

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